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    Valve train. Stock springs, aftermarket, etc.

    Thinking about doing a Riva ecu to make the switch to turbo easier even though i don't want to up the rev limit. I've heard debates here and there about the different setups but don't know which way to go. I guess these are the options.

    -Springs, lightweight retainers, light valves
    -Springs, lightweight retainers
    -Lightweight retainers, shims
    -Lightweight retainers

    Obviously there is an advantage in price but what about protection against valve float? Is "the whole 9 yards" really needed? Are aftermarket springs with the stock cam over kill?


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    i would do the Les retainers only and leave the rest alone and your good to 8650 rev limit with the Riva ecu...this is my set up now........then later if u do a head job or have it off for any reason and want more rpm just get the stock valves lightened and then u can rev to 9100 with the SAME valve train set up with a different ecu rev limit to 9100 and its the least expense all the way around! BET!!!!!!!!!!!

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    What about the Riva titanium retainer kit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 01xdime View Post
    What about the Riva titanium retainer kit?
    Riva's recommendation is up to 8400 RPM.

    If you want full 8650 RPM then the best way is the full valvetrain upgrade.
    No guesswork and no taking chances.

    Just adding retainers over the stock springs may work great for high speed passes on flat water but keeping it pinned through chop is asking for trouble.

    I know lots of people just install the retainers and have had no issues but if you choose to do this at least replace your valve springs with newer stock springs if your engine has 100+ hours on it. The spring tension tends to weaken over time with the stock springs. I recall Malte mentioning that the 08 springs were updated so if you are going to replace them they would be the ones to go with.

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    The Riva kit is good too but has stiffer springs. With the Les Cooke retainers you don't need stiffer springs or lighter valves until you go past the 8650 rpm limit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by duane View Post
    The Riva kit is good too but has stiffer springs. With the Les Cooke retainers you don't need stiffer springs or lighter valves until you go past the 8650 rpm limit.
    The Les Cooke retainers are made to put more preload on the stock springs making them stiffer so you get "stiffer" springs no matter which way you go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Hulk View Post
    The Les Cooke retainers are made to put more preload on the stock springs making them stiffer so you get "stiffer" springs no matter which way you go.
    sounds like it might not be good to use Les Cooke retainers on Riva springs!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTXX View Post
    sounds like it might not be good to use Les Cooke retainers on Riva springs!
    You know Tim i never thought about that but you are right. There would be way too much spring pressure. Pound the hell out of your valve seats.... broken valves...

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    the way some guys want to re-engineer stuff it could happen if it hasn't already.

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    We have been racing the Riva spring/retainer kit with lightened valves up over 9000rpm all season on 2004 valves with zero issues.

    The riva springs do cost a bit of RPM with the increased spring rate, but I like the insurance. With a turbo engine, I can just add 1/2 psi or so and get it right back..

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