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    Cool Dead Freedom

    Hello all! This is my first post and thanks to Green Hulk for hosting a Polaris section!!

    I have posted this at GoPolaris and PWCtoday but still no answer to my problem.

    I have a 2002 Freedom with the 701 made in Fiji or somewhere that is nothing more than a boat anchor.

    I have been trying off and on for 2 years to get it running. I have had it at a major Polaris-Suzuki dealership in Nashville, TN and they just took my money and gave it back to me not running (thanks guys, ps it wasn't the $400 battery!)

    I have probally put a total of about 5 hours on the ski since I bought it and it was a blast to ride when it ran.

    Well, not anymore. It seems to run okay when it's cool or when the battery is fully charged (can't find a pattern), but dies soon after (one day 2 hours, next 10 minutes, next no start at all).

    The engine looks brand new and when it fires it runs great, but most times it just spins over

    Any ideas? I'm not afraid to throw some parts at it, hell, that's what they did, they just charged me more for it.

    I'm sorry if I sound jaded, but it's just frustrating to have so much invested in a ski that I can't ride or sell, and Polaris Industries just tells me "gee, we're sorry, now FO"...no wonder they went out of the ski business!

    Thanks in advance...I feel better now


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    there was a update on some ski,look in elec. box and see if you have a jumper wire that 2 different colors(think it's red on one end and yellow on other)

    allso if battery voltage drops below 10 volts motor will spin over but no spark (so if sitting for few week may what to top off battery (chargering no more that 6 amps)

    allso if machine run great till gets warm-most likely bad stator (part under front cover where flywheels at
    allso keep a eye on carb there bad about bolts backing out
    thats a start

    later cd
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    Any time I have seen this it was the stator.
    Fully charge your battery and take it to a garage to have it load tested. That will tell if it is the battery.

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    Turbo

    Make sure the battery is getting charged from the stator, it should be roughly 13+ volts while running.
    Then anytime it doesn't start, put a jumper box (no running cars) to it and see if that solves your problem.
    There's is an update as chip stated (usually 2000) and it's intended for re-start, so the question is, does the problem only occur when you're trying to start it after its run for a little while? Or like he said check for the red wire from the CDI going to the orange location on the electrical board.
    Have you verified spark loss, when trying to start your craft?

    Let us know what you find.
    Last edited by ph2ocraft; 08-31-2006 at 10:40 AM.

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    no spark

    verify that it turns over but no spark???cranks but no spark try this.inside the electrical box theres a small black box(cdi).it has two bundles of wires coming out of it down in one of the corners about 8 wires per bundle.find the red/purple one coming out of the cdi,unplug it,the end coming from the cdi connect a jumper wire and connect the other end to the terminal labeled org(orange)on the terminal board,then try to start it,this is what polaris put a service bulletin out about,if this fixes it how i repaired mine was to clip the nonused or open connecttor left out of the circuit and reconnect using a inline solderless crimp connector,cut it at the open connector so that piece of wire can be used as your jumper by simply putting a spade connector on one end

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    Thanks for all of the replys!! It is for sure a no spark condition. Just spins, no spark kernal at all.

    The stator seems to be the most common response. The funny thing is that after it dies the battery has enough juice to spin it over for days.

    I will try the other suggestions. I have read the TSB and it seems to apply to older domestic motored skis(not the Fiji 701).

    Keep the ideas coming!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TxPro1200
    verify that it turns over but no spark???cranks but no spark try this.inside the electrical box theres a small black box(cdi).it has two bundles of wires coming out of it down in one of the corners about 8 wires per bundle.find the red/purple one coming out of the cdi,unplug it,the end coming from the cdi connect a jumper wire and connect the other end to the terminal labeled org(orange)on the terminal board,then try to start it,this is what polaris put a service bulletin out about,if this fixes it how i repaired mine was to clip the nonused or open connecttor left out of the circuit and reconnect using a inline solderless crimp connector,cut it at the open connector so that piece of wire can be used as your jumper by simply putting a spade connector on one end
    I have seen this orange wire when I was fiddling around with a meter and noticed it was powered but nothing connected to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TurboJimmy
    Thanks for all of the replys!! It is for sure a no spark condition. Just spins, no spark kernal at all.

    The stator seems to be the most common response. The funny thing is that after it dies the battery has enough juice to spin it over for days.

    I will try the other suggestions. I have read the TSB and it seems to apply to older domestic motored skis(not the Fiji 701).

    Keep the ideas coming!
    The 2002 has a 700 Domestic twin engine not the Fuji triple. The update is for the PVL ignition system found with the Domestic engine. Verify the location of the orange wire or post a picture, it has to go somewhere.

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    Stator Testing


    Warm Running Update

    Here is the cdi jumper wire TSB for most domestic models that are hard to start when hot.

    Service Bulletin # PWC-00-05
    August 8, 2000

    Subject
    Add Jumper Wire to CDI
    Model Affected: Serial Number Range:
    2000 Virage (W005197D) ALL
    2000 Virage TX (W005199D) ALL
    2000 Pro 1200 (W004999D) ALL
    2000 Genesis (W005099D) ALL

    SCENARIO #1 MODELS WITH DUAL FUNCTION START/STOP BUTTON

    Symptom: Engine will not turn over when engine is warm. After stopping the engine and trying
    to re-start the engine when warm, the starter motor will not turn over. In this scenario, the CDI
    remains powered up after the engine is shut off, causing the CDI to think the engine is still run-ning
    even though it is not. After the engine and CDI cool, it will re-start normally. Install jumper
    wire PN 2460928 to resolve this issue, following the instructions below.

    SCENARIO #2 MODELS WITH SEPARATE START/STOP BUTTON

    Symptom: Engine turns over but will not start when engine is warm. After stopping the engine
    and trying to re-start the engine when warm, the engine will crank, but not start. Again, in this
    scenario, the CDI remains powered up after the engine is shut off, causing the CDI to think the
    engine is still running even though it is not. After the engine and CDI cool, it will re-start normally.
    Install jumper wire PN 2460928 to resolve this issue, following the instructions below.
    Parts Required
    Quantity
    Part No. Description
    1 2460928 Harness, Jumper, PWC

    Repair Procedure
    Step 1
    1. Disconnect the NEGATIVE (-) battery cable from
    the battery.
    2. Open electrical box.
    3. Disconnect RED/PURPLE wire from CDI box.
    4. Clean the FEMALE end of the RED/PURPLE wire,
    disconnected in the previous step and apply electri-cal
    tape to seal the open end. Tuck the FEMALE
    end of the RED/PURPLE wire under the CDI box.
    RED/PURPLE wire from CDI
    PWC-00-05 Page 2 of 2
    Step 2
    1. Install the RED/PURPLE end of the jumper wire,
    PN2460928, on to RED/PURPLE MALEconnector
    from the CDI box.
    2. Install the open ORANGE connector end to the
    open ORANGE spade on the terminal board.
    Step 3
    1. Once the jumper wire is connected, carefully pack
    the wires inside the electrical box cover, making
    sure that wires are not kinked or damaged on any
    internal component. Install the electrical box on the
    mounting plate and lock the latches.
    Wrap with electrical tape,
    tuck under CDI
    Connect RED/PURPLE
    jumper wire to RED/
    PURPLE male connec-tor
    from CDI box.
    Connect open ORANGE end to the
    ORANGE spade connector on the
    terminal board.
    2. Reconnect the NEGATIVE (-) battery cable to the
    NEGATIVE battery terminal.

    Customer Notification

    Please perform this Service Bulletin on all affected units in your inventory. Contact owners of delivered
    units immediately and make arrangements to perform this warranty repair.
    Sincerely,
    POLARIS SALES INC.
    Craig M. Wilfahrt
    Manager, Service/Technical Training

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    I may be mistaken, but I believe that the 2002 Freedom has the Fiji 701 twin? Also found in the 00-02 Virage.

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