05-19-2010, 01:01 PM #1
Arizona Doctor Teaches Lawmakers a Lesson
Arizona optometrist reminds lawmakers what it means
to live in America. Basically, they were trying to force him to provide spanish interpreters at his place of business.
You have to read this to believe it...
New AZ law:
Firms have no legal duty to have translators
PHOENIX - A Glendale optometrist's yearlong legal fight over what services he had to provide for a Spanish-speaking customer has translated into new protections for other businesses.
Gov. Jan Brewer has signed legislation affirming that nothing in state law requires businesses to provide "trained and competent" interpreters when a customer comes in speaking a language other than English.
Assistant Attorney General Michael Walker said that has probably always been the law. But that didn't save John Schrolucke from having to spend time and money defending himself and his practice before Walker's office finally dismissed the case.
Dr. Schrolucke told lawmakers the incident stems from a patient who spoke only Spanish. Although she did bring her 12-year-old child with her to the office, he said allowing the child to interpret for the parent would have gotten him into legal trouble.
He said he faced a potential malpractice lawsuit if the child did not properly translate some of the more technical explanations being provided, so he turned the woman away, telling her through her child to come back with someone at least 18 years old.
Dr. Schrolucke said he also gave the woman the option of going to one or two other optometrists who speak Spanish.
Instead, he said, the woman filed a discrimination complaint with the Attorney General's Office.
State law prohibits discrimination in places of "public accommodation," which include restaurants, hotels, theaters and any place that offers services or goods to the general public.
Schrolucke said he was given an option to settle. But that would have required him and anyone who bought his business to provide interpreters and documents in Spanish, something he said would set a bad precedent for not only his operation but other small businesses.
It took the Attorney General's Office a year to figure out there had been no civil rights violation and dismiss the case.
Upset with the whole process, Schrolucke approached Sen. John Huppenthal, R-Chandler, who agreed to sponsor what he called "clarifying language" to the state's civil rights law.
"Nobody should be treated like this," Huppenthal said. "It's a nightmare to go through this. He was drug through the mud by us."
Walker, who is the litigation chief of the civil rights division, offered his own apology "for what does occasionally end up as state bureaucratic confusion."
But Walker told lawmakers that his agency is legally obligated to investigate complaints of discrimination. He said the system worked - eventually - when the complaint was dismissed.
Huppenthal introduced identical legislation last year. While it was approved by a Senate panel it never made it to the full Senate floor. Full article here:
05-19-2010, 02:37 PM #2
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Is there a legal requirement to provide services in English?
Can a non-English speaking person operate a business (even a "public accommodation" business) without being required to provide translation or services in English?
05-19-2010, 03:15 PM #3
Somebody sent me this and I like it.
(links below for verification)
What do you think, new Arizona state motto....?
"We should insist that if the immigrant who comes here does in good faith become an American and assimilates himself to us he shall be treated on an exact equality with every one else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed or birth-place or origin. But this is predicated upon the man's becoming in very fact an American and nothing but an American. If he tries to keep segregated with men of his own origin and separated from the rest of America, then he isn't doing his part as an American. There can be no divided allegiance here. . . We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language, for we intend to see that the crucible turns our people out as Americans, of American nationality, and not as dwellers in a polyglot boarding-house; and we have room for but one soul loyalty, and that is loyalty to the American people." - Teddy Roosevelt
Truth or Fiction: http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors...mmigration.htm
05-19-2010, 04:05 PM #4
05-20-2010, 08:20 AM #5
this kind of stuff gets me every time.... this is the U.S.A. are language is english.. if you dont like it fine bring your own interpreter thats of age..or get out...
bussiness's should not have to have people on staff just for the few that speak spanish.. thats alot of extra money with hiring them as well as prining extra papers and documents in spanish, that stuff will add up very fast
at least he offered alternitives, and he was in the right to not feeling comfortable talking tothe 12 year old for important information..
im glad to see this out come.. its to bad it took so long though... i have no issues with people of any cultur or people that speak any diffrent language's.. just dont expect special treatment and get in a hissfit and try too ruin a bussiness because he gave you alteritives
05-20-2010, 05:47 PM #6
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Funny but true story:
One store I was managing a few years ago was in a mostly hispanic community. 90% of my employees were hispanic. When a customer would approach the counter and didnt speak english, I would pass them to an employee that spoke spanish. After the customer would leave, the employees would say, "when you going to learn spanish"? I would say, "NEVER"!!!
I then asked the employee who asked the question, "If a person of asian decent walked in here and spoke nothing but chinese, what language would you demand they spoke"? Employee naturally said, "English". So then I asked, "Then what the hell is the difference"??? Employee's response, "Whatever, nevermind"
I like fools that practice hypocrisy, they make me laugh
05-20-2010, 07:15 PM #7
Well, I just want to say hats off to the good doctor and also the Governor of Arizona for passing that new law. Arizona has the right idea; now the Feds need to follow their example and get the borders and illegal situation under control.
05-20-2010, 08:29 PM #8
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who came here from cuba in the 50's INSISTED that we only speak English at home. He was certainly ahead of the times. he told us that if we just spoke Spanish, we'd be treated like second class citizens and not be afforded all the opportunities of America.
While english is a difficult language, it can be learned without all that much effort..far more effort to file a discrimination lawsuit, but I would guess that the AG's office in Arizona supplies all materials in Spanish
So how much trouble would it have been for this 'citizen' to find a doctor that was fluent in her native language?
Times sure have changed..mainly thanks to a group of ass-hat attorneys looking for a quick buck
I'm surprised stop signs all over the country don't say stop in 20 different languages.
Now don't get me wrong..I'm all for liberty and all that, but this is an English speaking country and while you're free to speak your "native" language if you like and patronize businesses that can speak that language, don't go crying "my rights my rights" if you get turned away for ANY business.
part of the citizen test should be the use of an translation dictionary to get along with the basics.
During my first trip to Japan I was amazed how many street signs had English in addition to Japanese specially at the airport and train system..and the Japanese school kids were always anxious to "try out" their English on me. They in turn had to suffer thru my rancid attempts at asking where the bathroom was in Japanese.
Hurray for Arizona
05-20-2010, 08:38 PM #9
The Statue of Liberty needs to drop the torch and have a sign that states NO VACANCY!!!!!!!!!!!USA
05-20-2010, 11:04 PM #10
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