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    Need HELP everybodys opinon is welcome, need help on which company to pick PWC or SBT

    I have a Yamaha 2002 waverunner fx140, the engine is seized and I need to purchase a short block. I am unsure on where to send the motor to get rebuilt. I need the help of the forum members to help direct me on either 1) PCWengine.com in NY or 2)SBT in FL. I have heard bad things about SBT and am skeptical about using them and need some advice on what to do. Please give me all the info you have on both companies so I can decide on which one to use. Thanks again for all your support in this forum!!!!!


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    from what I've heard SBT uses chinese parts and their motors don't last, Julio...

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    welcome to GH! Search is your friend. You can find out about the various opinions on SBT which have been batted about for some time

    FX motors are pricey, you are looking at at least $2500 to your door if you go with an SBT. I use SBT as I can't provide a warranty against stupidity...and trust me..I've used it a couple of times with folks who let other use thier skis without having clue one what to do ( liek the fellow that put conventiaol motor oil into the oil injection tank ( oh.this was a two stroke?). I've also been burned by a bad SBT motor once where the rotary valve seal wasn't installed properly, it blew out after a few hours of operation and dumped a $100 worth of synthetic injector oil into a guys hull. I had to eat all the labor. I did harrang SBT into at least covering the shipping (normally they do not)

    a 2002 fx has a KBB value of just under 4k..so say you have the skill to do it all and no problems..you still have an SBT motor in there and many many folks will not buy a used ski with one

    unless this ski is in _exceptional shape_ with low hours, I say consider just buying another one and parting out the blown up one.

    consider the labor for a short block prep, possibly finding you need a valve job or other work..then the labor to get the entire affair in place.

    off season is arriving, you can likely find a 2005+ ski in your area for under 5k during the winter..part out yours and get 1K+ and you are back in the game.

    FX motors can last a long time with regular maintenance.

    I'm sure there will be a dozen posts on this over the next couple of days so start checking craigh's list for something in your area.

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    a 2002 fx has a KBB value of just under 4k..so say you have the skill to do it all and no problems..you still have an SBT motor in there and many many folks will not buy a used ski with one

    unless this ski is in _exceptional shape_ with low hours, I say consider just buying another one and parting out the blown up one.


    BRAVO ,,,,,BRAVO. A+++++++++++++++++++

    consider the labor for a short block prep, possibly finding you need a valve job or other work..then the labor to get the entire affair in place.

    off season is arriving, you can likely find a 2005+ ski in your area for under 5k during the winter..part out yours and get 1K+ and you are back in the game.

    FX motors can last a long time with regular maintenance.

    BRAVO,,,,,BRAVO. A++++++++++++++++++++

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    I agree with nmpeter; I would put that $2,500 into another used ski still under warranty or preferably a down payment on a new one. That's just me. Here is a recent discussion on the quality of SBT parts for Yamaha; you might want to ask the same question over here:
    SBT Quality Discussion.....Yamaha related products

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    I have a couple SBT 1200 non-pv motors. One lasted six years then blew out the rear seals, one lasted five years then burnt a piston. Keep in mind these are stock two-stroke motors. I think SBT is fine for base engines, but if you want to mod it, forget it.
    That being said, I do agree with all the guys above. A minimum of $2500 to replace the motor is too steep when you can probably buy a 200 hour 2004/5 FX for around $4000.

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    I agree with ToyTerrific.... If you want to keep the engine stock, take the risk and go with SBT. They don't have the greatest track record with 2nd hand engines. Quality isn't the greatest but it is what it is. I would put my money elsewhere thought IMO!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1Onelove View Post
    I have a Yamaha 2002 waverunner fx140, the engine is seized and I need to purchase a short block. I am unsure on where to send the motor to get rebuilt. I need the help of the forum members to help direct me on either 1) PCWengine.com in NY or 2)SBT in FL. I have heard bad things about SBT and am skeptical about using them and need some advice on what to do. Please give me all the info you have on both companies so I can decide on which one to use. Thanks again for all your support in this forum!!!!!
    have you looke dinto why the motor siezed ???? could it be a pump bearing or somethig in the pump, might really be nothing wrong with the motor.......

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    its kind of funny the stuff we send to sbt. we send them complete junk, they remanufacture it, sell it and make a killing.
    the stuff we get from sbt is a joke. but it comes with a warranty. sbt just expands the tollerances to the max, lowers compression and cut corners. all of their fx motors get iron sleeves installed. whatever cast piston they install that whoever makes for them. who knows about rods or bearings go back into these motors.
    ive done quite a few mr-1 cylinder heads from sbt on customers ski's and would never put one on anything of mine.

    if determined to rebuild tear it down and see why it is seized. what you got to loose? start with the pump and make sure not a stuck wear ring first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by big john View Post
    have you looke dinto why the motor siezed ???? could it be a pump bearing or somethig in the pump, might really be nothing wrong with the motor.......
    I think John is on to somthing. Take the time to find out just what is really wrong with the motor. If it does need a complete rebuild, then your not out anything. If its only a replacable part thats gone bad, than you could repair it for much less and get more use out of this motor.

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