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  • CMD Marine units w/intermediate harness plug & jumper, retail ~ $479

    59 77.63%
  • CMD Marine units w/o intermediate harness plug & jumper, retail ~ $399

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    Dynojet CMD Marine fuel tuner input needed from GreenHulk - POLL

    Hey guys, I need some input here. As we get closer to production, we finally have some costing information and this product line is coming in more expensive than we though, in part due to the fact that we are tapping into more connectors (MAP) than we do in other applications, and the cost of the connectors themselves. In order to offer a plug-and-play solution though, it is what it is.

    Now, we have also been following the same philosophy that we used when building the original CMD Marine units - that is to offer the plug-and-play harnesses with an intermediate plug. This intermediate plug means that once the unit is installed, you can "take it out of the loop" quickly and easily by unplugging one main connector, and plugging in a jumper. With the jumper installed, the harness passes through all signal and acts as if it weren't even there. This was done so that if anything happened while at sea, the jumper could be installed quickly, and you could get back to shore.

    The addition of this safety feature substantially raises the price though. Here's where our question comes in. Obviously we want to offer a product that gives you all the control for the least amount of money, but we also have to appease the bean counters. So, the question is:

    Offer the CMD Marine units with the intermediate harness plug and jumper, with a retail price of about $479; or

    Offer the CMD Marine units without the intermediate harness plug and jumper, with one solid harness hardwired to the board, with a retail price of about $399.

    Which direction would you guys like to see us go? We will take your input under advisement.


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    Why not offer both?

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    Just for reference, here is the current CMD Marine offerings for inboard V8 engines. You can see the intermediate connectors and jumpers in the picture. Obviously, this is for an 8 cylinder application, which requires two units. The units for the watercraft will only require ONE unit.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ADAMBOMB View Post
    Why not offer both?
    Because we can't justify to the bean counters, carrying two different types of harnesses when this product has $0 sales. Down the road, we could offer a second type of harness, but not initially. Remember that the base unit has the harness hard wired to it. In the case of the existing CMD Marine products, the hard wired harness has an intermediate connector. If we go away from that and offer a unit without the intermediate connector, it saves cost, but then the harness is hardwired to the board and cannot be removed from the device. If you damage the harness or connectors beyond repair, you scrap the whole unit. With the CMD Marine direction with an intermediate connector, you could replace just the harness itself.

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    As long as the unit doesn't fail.... we should have no need to by-pass it

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyRXP View Post
    As long as the unit doesn't fail.... we should have no need to by-pass it
    That is true, but the old saying goes: "If man makes it, it can break." Certainly we enjoy the lowest return rate in the powersports industry with this products' cousin, the Power Commander, at less than 1/2%, but there are still issues here and there. Between configuration issues, computer compatibility, connection issues, etc, there is a reason we have a technical support department. Just keeping it real.

    When we spec'd this product out, we wanted it to be easy to return to stock if something happened while at sea. With the jumper version, unplug the harness and plug in the jumper...away you go. Without, you'd have to completely unplug the harness to remove the CMD Marine unit from the engine. While we don't anticipate this, it's a safety feature we decided to include. The last thing someone wants to have is a problem at sea with no help in sight.

    But this is exactly why we are asking for your input now.

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    [QUOTE=DynojetResearch;1859289]Because we can't justify to the bean counters, carrying two different types of harnesses when this product has $0 sales. Down the road, we could offer a second type of harness, but not initially. Remember that the base unit has the harness hard wired to it. In the case of the existing CMD Marine products, the hard wired harness has an intermediate connector. If we go away from that and offer a unit without the intermediate connector, it saves cost, but then the harness is hardwired to the board and cannot be removed from the device. If you damage the harness or connectors beyond repair, you scrap the whole unit. With the CMD Marine direction with an intermediate connector, you could replace just the harness itself.[/QUOTE]

    Well I think you just answered the question for everyone. Thanks again for making this product and asking our thoughts as well. But for $80 bucks its no question.

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    Safety in a marine environment should never be compromised. $80 extra to save my azz when im 20 miles off shore in 10 foot swells. It should never be offered without the bypass feature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beerdart View Post
    Safety in a marine environment should never be compromised. $80 extra to save my azz when im 20 miles off shore in 10 foot swells. It should never be offered without the bypass feature.
    +1 You took my thoughts out of my head. but I wasnt thinking about being 20 miles off shore in 10 foot swells

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    as i see it, with the jumper plug, one can do back to back tests just by unplugging the unit, or plugging it back in, seems like a no brainier................... whats $80. ??????

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