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    New MoTeC M130 ECU is now available through the forums online store




    The link to order is here
    http://www.4-tecperformance.com/inde...oducts_id=2079

    No Rewiring is necessary: The plug-in ECU plugs into the stock wiring harness using the original sensors and fuel system.

    All essential functions are maintained, including stock dash display, iBR brake and trim system.

    Features:

    Improved RPM limiting allows for higher top speed in rough water
    Programmable Launch Control to reduce cavitation
    Tunable fuel and ignition mapping for performance improvements.
    Optional Knock Control for racing applications.
    Optional exhaust lamda input via LTC or PLM for fuel tuning.
    Level 1 data logging included in standard package price. (predefined channels at up to 10Hz for diagnostic analysis)
    Level 2 logging available as upgrade (up to 100 channels at up to 200Hz, 120MB)
    Compatibilty


    • RXT-X & IS, 2010 and after
    • RXP-X, 2012
    Key Features

    • Plugs straight into standard connectors and uses standard sensors
    • Operates factory dash
    • Operates intelligent brake system and trim control
    • Fully programmable fuel and ignition tables
    • Programmable electronic throttle launch control
    • Vastly superior RPM limiting
    Kit Includes

    • M130 Marine ECU
    • Sea-Doo RXT-X 2010 package and licence (targeted)
    • M1 Tune software
    • Plug-in adapter loom
    • Mounting kit
    • Data Logging Level 1
    Upgrade Options

    • Data Logging Level 2
    • Pro Analysis (i2 Pro)
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    Are they going to offer this ecu for the older models?

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    Hi Meeper
    Initially no
    This new ECU is quite different to our last Gold series
    Each firmware is dedicated to the application it is designed for rather than like our other ECU's that have firmware inside to run almost any engine on the planet
    The firmware is written a little bit like the OEM ECU in that the only code inside this particular box is the code that runs this model Sea-Doo/dash/IBR etc
    So what that means is that the ECU itself runs lightning fast inside due to the relatively small amount of code, things like transients and in particular the RPM limit are VERY good as a result of the higher effeciency.

    What this means in relation to your question is that at this point in time we havent written the firmware for the earlier models, there is currently a very high demand for solutions for advanced later model vehicles such as the Nissan R35, Latest DI BMW's etc
    Once we catch up with this demand we will fill out our initial market offerings with the extra models.

    Regards

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    Pete

    Very nice product!

    Couple quick questions: are there any functions lost over the stock ecu? What fuel maps are provided, if any, with the included software? If none, how are the ecu's mapped out of the box?

    Please clarify, what is meant by "targeted" (Sea-Doo RXT-X 2010 package and licence (targeted)).

    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rxpxseadog View Post
    Pete

    Very nice product!

    Couple quick questions: are there any functions lost over the stock ecu?
    Sorry but I am not that familiar with what the stock one does, didnt spend much time operating with it, certainly nothing that would effect racing but from what I think I know, the following would be the list.

    Cruise control if done by the factory
    Slow mode via the dess key
    Dess Key security is probably the major

    What fuel maps are provided, if any, with the included software? If none, how are the ecu's mapped out of the box?
    We have a range of good base maps online that cover stock injectors and 1000CC injectors
    The MAPS have been very close for the customers so far using various superchargers and fuel qualities, and I am happy to help anyone with tuning it closer using the free onboard logging.
    This ECU is vastly superior on how it calculates its fueling and we make every effort in predicting the exact airflow into the engine along with knowing the exact fuel flow
    If you set the file up with accurate injector calibrations and tune the way we suggest then the following changes can be made with vitualy no need to retune

    Change of fuel pressure
    Changes of fuel pressure regulator operation (ie rising rate vs static)
    Changes of Fuel type
    Change of fuel AFR
    So to elaborate on that, you can, once tuned correctly, change your AFR with out having to physicaly change the fuel map or use a lambda sensor
    The system uses an aim lambda table and if you want the engine to run richer or leaner than what it currently is you simply type the aim number into the lambda table and it knows how much fuel to remove or add to get you there, again, this is with no sensor fitted.


    Change of injector
    If you enter an accurate (supplied by us) injector calibration you dont need to retune either

    Please clarify, what is meant by "targeted" (Sea-Doo RXT-X 2010 package and licence (targeted)).
    Easy question, long complicated answer, sorry

    We have begun to release the new M1 series of ECU,s
    Keeping it simple we will call the base hardware model the M130
    The M130 will be sold at various levels from 1 to 5
    Each level will cost a little bit more
    Depending on the type of engine/car you want to run will determiine what level ECU you will need to purchase to run it
    Some engines require muliple drive by wire throttles, variable cams and highly advanced CAN communications to operate correctly in their host vehciles, these applications will require a higher level M130 ECU
    Once you own a (for example) level 5 M130 ECU you will be able to run a very large range of complex cars of your choice so the ECU will fit almost anything on the planet (broadly speaking)
    This of course is an expensive ECU for the recreational PWC market and even a level 1 M130 ECU is not cheap

    So in markets where pricing is very sensitive and we need to get the cost to the customer as low as possible we target the engine specifically and lock the ECU to run only that engine (like an OEM ECU)
    Then we reduce the price even lower than a level 1 M130 and we call the ECU an M1 SeaDoo (in this case)
    So this means that as you buy it from us this ECU will only run the engine that we have targetted it for.
    Now it can be upgraded to level 1 at any time which will make it able to run a wider variety of engines.

    Hope that makes some sense



    Thanks.
    Cheers

    Pete

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    Pete

    Very nice product!

    Couple quick questions: are there any functions lost over the stock ecu?
    Sorry but I am not that familiar with what the stock one does, didnt spend much time operating with it, certainly nothing that would effect racing but from what I think I know, the following would be the list.

    Cruise control if done by the factory
    Slow mode via the dess key
    Dess Key security is probably the major

    What fuel maps are provided, if any, with the included software? If none, how are the ecu's mapped out of the box?
    We have a range of good base maps online that cover stock injectors and 1000CC injectors
    The MAPS have been very close for the customers so far using various superchargers and fuel qualities, and I am happy to help anyone with tuning it closer using the free onboard logging.
    This ECU is vastly superior on how it calculates its fueling and we make every effort in predicting the exact airflow into the engine along with knowing the exact fuel flow
    If you set the file up with accurate injector calibrations and tune the way we suggest then the following changes can be made with vitualy no need to retune

    Change of fuel pressure
    Changes of fuel pressure regulator operation (ie rising rate vs static)
    Changes of Fuel type
    Change of fuel AFR
    So to elaborate on that, you can, once tuned correctly, change your AFR with out having to physicaly change the fuel map or use a lambda sensor
    The system uses an aim lambda table and if you want the engine to run richer or leaner than what it currently is you simply type the aim number into the lambda table and it knows how much fuel to remove or add to get you there, again, this is with no sensor fitted.

    Change of injector
    If you enter an accurate (supplied by us) injector calibration you dont need to retune either

    Please clarify, what is meant by "targeted" (Sea-Doo RXT-X 2010 package and licence (targeted)).
    Easy question, long complicated answer, sorry

    We have begun to release the new M1 series of ECU,s
    Keeping it simple we will call the base hardware model the M130
    The M130 will be sold at various levels from 1 to 5
    Each level will cost a little bit more
    Depending on the type of engine/car you want to run will determiine what level ECU you will need to purchase to run it
    Some engines require muliple drive by wire throttles, variable cams and highly advanced CAN communications to operate correctly in their host vehciles, these applications will require a higher level M130 ECU
    Once you own a (for example) level 5 M130 ECU you will be able to run a very large range of complex cars of your choice so the ECU will fit almost anything on the planet (broadly speaking)
    This of course is an expensive ECU for the recreational PWC market and even a level 1 M130 ECU is not cheap

    So in markets where pricing is very sensitive and we need to get the cost to the customer as low as possible we target the engine specifically and lock the ECU to run only that engine (like an OEM ECU)
    Then we reduce the price even lower than a level 1 M130 and we call the ECU an M1 SeaDoo (in this case)
    So this means that as you buy it from us this ECU will only run the engine that we have targetted it for.
    Now it can be upgraded to level 1 at any time which will make it able to run a wider variety of engines.

    Hope that makes some sense



    Thanks.
    Cheers

    Pete


    sounds like an awesome product! hopefully it wont be too long before its available for my '11...

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    Great news Jerry.

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    M130 v.s. Athena

    Quote Originally Posted by MoTeC Pete View Post
    Cheers

    Pete
    Thanks for taking the time to provide such a detailed reply - very helpful and much appreciated!

    If you're inclinded to answer this question, it could be quite helpful. How does the Motec M130 compare with RIVA's Athena?

    Thanks again.

    ***The backdrop to these questions is preparing a 2012 RXT-X aS for the Catalina and back event here in Southern California.***

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    The M130 will be sold at various levels from 1 to 5
    Each level will cost a little bit more
    Depending on the type of engine/car you want to run will determiine what level ECU you will need to purchase to run it
    Some engines require muliple drive by wire throttles, variable cams and highly advanced CAN communications to operate correctly in their host vehciles, these applications will require a higher level M130 ECU
    Once you own a (for example) level 5 M130 ECU you will be able to run a very large range of complex cars of your choice so the ECU will fit almost anything on the planet (broadly speaking)
    This of course is an expensive ECU for the recreational PWC market and even a level 1 M130 ECU is not cheap


    can we now what modes for each level ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by eissa View Post
    The M130 will be sold at various levels from 1 to 5
    Each level will cost a little bit more
    Depending on the type of engine/car you want to run will determiine what level ECU you will need to purchase to run it
    Some engines require muliple drive by wire throttles, variable cams and highly advanced CAN communications to operate correctly in their host vehciles, these applications will require a higher level M130 ECU
    Once you own a (for example) level 5 M130 ECU you will be able to run a very large range of complex cars of your choice so the ECU will fit almost anything on the planet (broadly speaking)
    This of course is an expensive ECU for the recreational PWC market and even a level 1 M130 ECU is not cheap


    can we now what modes for each level ??
    Are you asking about different levels for car or PWC.s ?

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