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    MoTeC M1, Advanced Spec, have your input


    Hi
    As mentioned here http://www.greenhulk.net/forums/showthread.php?t=181417 the purpose of this thread is to discuss what new features you guys would like in the “advanced package” of the M1 Seadoo ECU.

    We know our solutions are more expensive than others but suggest that most find they are worth the money spent.
    Based on how we make our products, the overheads we carry for the product, software and support our pricing has to stay at similar levels otherwise its not a worthwhile business exercise.
    One thing we can do using the new M1 platform is allow total customisation of an ECU to suit a particular market and while we can’t get the price much lower we can work on making the ECU itself more useful to its intended customers.

    This is a unique opportunity to have input into what actually goes into the code of the product itself.
    What tables appear there, what they do, the actual name of any extra channels you want and what they do, buttons that you may want to install, the sky is the limit “virtually”
    Some of what you suggest may go into the standard package and some will go into the advanced.
    We are building this thing for you, it will be awesome, so have your say


    The Standard Package
    Designed to run a stock or recreationally modified supercharged Sea-Doo engine/Ski.
    Runs factory dash, E throttle, and IBR system.
    Similar to most programmable ECU,s with tuneable Fuel, IGN, Inj Timing, E throttle tables etc
    Has vastly superior RPM limit control

    Feature list included as standard.

    Diagnostic level 1 logging, approx 60 locked channels @ 1-10hz, more detail over here http://www.greenhulk.net/forums/showthread.php?t=181417 post #17
    Programmable launch control that limits the amount of max throttle based on a dedicated “Launch Timer”
    Closed loop programmable individual cylinder knock control (External SKM box required)
    Wideband lambda (AFR) via external Lambda to CAN module (LTC) allowing the following features
    “Quick Lambda, Lambda Was, closed loop lambda”
    Other lambda meters can be connected but for logging and “lambda was” use only

    Loggable with level 2, non standard channels include
    Individual cylinder exhaust temp
    Individual cylinder Lambda
    Jet Unit Pressure
    Jet Intake Pressure
    Jet Nozzle Angle (Steering Position)


    Advanced package
    Here is the basic list so far and open for discussion

    Boost Control (lots of detail to work through)
    Antilag Race (lots of detail to work through)
    Antilag Launch (lots of detail to work through)

    Individual cylinder Fuel and Ignition tables
    Individual cylinder fuel exhaust temp comp
    Cruise Control
    Anti-cavitation control ( A tough one)

    Over to you
    Bring it on

    Cheers

    Pete



    I will update the colated requests as we work through them

    Suggestions so far

    Ability to fit 10hz GPS
    Logging for knock in standard package
    Built in hour meter and/or make factory dash work
    Built in Knock in standard package
    Full Throttle Timer channel available on fuel/ign/boost/throttle maps
    Lambda (AFR) displayed on factory dash
    SLM support (configurable to show different AFR,s Boost, EGT, Temps)
    Switchable Fuel,Ign and boost maps
    Predictive rpm limit cut based on RPM rise rate modified by intake pressure
    Individual Cylinder EGT compensation
    Multi MAP (simply 2 or 3 of the following maps, Aim fuel/ignition/boost/throttle)
    A way to edit closed loop lambda active areas
    Engine run time axis on the air temp comp table
    Robust Wireless comms
    Fuel Pressure Sensor logged in diagnostic data set
    3D table for Aux out put , maybe used for water/meth inj or extra injectors etc, MAP and RPM Axis
    Last edited by MoTeC Pete; 08-20-2012 at 09:04 PM.


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    10hz gps
    logging for knock
    hour meter

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nils888 View Post
    10hz gps
    logging for knock
    hour meter
    Thanks Nils
    Updated in my first post

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    Hi Guy's sorry I did not reply earlier, been on a trip, I just got back from Canada, supported the hometown team at a CFL football game yesterday(they did well).

    I do believe the first step to a “recreationally modified supercharged Sea-Doo engine” should be additional sensors supported by a data logging capable ECU (such as the M130). A base line is always good to have to reference against any future mods.

    It is a little late at night for me to contribute much at this point but will think about it a little more in the next few days.

    I am thinking about the use of pressure data at pump inlet and outlet as part of the cavitation control (riding at speed across waves) and also as part of a launch control (by limiting launch rpm to point just ahead of cavitation)

    Bert

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    Quote Originally Posted by ticat928 View Post
    Hi Guy's sorry I did not reply earlier, been on a trip, I just got back from Canada, supported the hometown team at a CFL football game yesterday(they did well).

    I do believe the first step to a “recreationally modified supercharged Sea-Doo engine” should be additional sensors supported by a data logging capable ECU (such as the M130). A base line is always good to have to reference against any future mods.

    It is a little late at night for me to contribute much at this point but will think about it a little more in the next few days.

    I am thinking about the use of pressure data at pump inlet and outlet as part of the cavitation control (riding at speed across waves) and also as part of a launch control (by limiting launch rpm to point just ahead of cavitation)

    Bert
    Thanks Bert
    Take your time
    This will take a while to hack out
    Certainly the channels are there in the std package to measure 2 Jet pressures.

    Cheers

    Pete


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    How can I tell when the knock sensor is knocking?

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    Stopwatch from the time you pull full throttle till you let off

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    I would like to be able to have an output for an AFR gauge so you can see your AGEs on a gauge without having to buy the complete dash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Martin RXT-X View Post
    I would like to be able to have an output for an AFR gauge so you can see your AGEs on a gauge without having to buy the complete dash.
    Great idea for those who are running LTC's!

    http://www.dynotunenitrous.com/store...?idproduct=129

    wonder if there's a way to get a gauge like that to work?

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    Hi Pete,

    Is there anyway to change what is being displayed on the stock dash?

    Can the boost bar across the top be recalibrated for say 15 psi and gps speeds are displayed on the dash?

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