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    Reman motors: who's the best?

    I started this thread to get some input on people's experience with reman motor providers. So far the options are as follows

    SBT
    pwcengines.com
    fullbore online
    Watercraft magic.net
    Watercrafttech.com

    I'm sure there's more options out there so if you know of a good one please report back to this thread with some input on your experience with them. Hopefully this thread will help with finding the right guy for the job.
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    I do stock and custom engine rebuilds... I cant really quote a base price without knowing everything it needs, and I cant really compete with someone like SBT because I use better quality parts and I hand assemble everything personally.

    Check my facebook page for build albums... click on pics then click on albums


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    Exactly what Wfo said. The box engines you buy are built with parts most of us independents wouldn't use - sleeved cylinders- cranks Ect Ect. They are assembled on a assembly line not by pwc techs with years upon years of knowledge. You basically get what you pay for. When you have a good ( good- reputable shop) independent shop build a motor for you your getting years of knowledge on what parts work well together - what parts have oem quality or better and assembled one motor at a time by a tech. They are going to advise you on what parts work - not just what parts they sell or make. Not slamming the box companies but I can attest to the fact that I've torn into plenty of them in customers skis or skis we've bought and more often than not the failure was a assembly issue. Choose well. You'll want to ride the ski when it's done - not wait for warranty parts to come in. That all I have for now as I shipped a customers 1300r motor with 1 hour on it from a box company back for him today. He purchased it himself and installed it. Ran a hour and had a big end rod failure.
    Quote Originally Posted by WFO View Post
    I do stock and custom engine rebuilds... I cant really quote a base price without knowing everything it needs, and I cant really compete with someone like SBT because I use better quality parts and I hand assemble everything personally.

    Check my facebook page for build albums... click on pics then click on albums

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    I did contact fullbore via telephone and they are not a big box store, more like a mom and pop shop, but they are on the higher end price wise. Pwcengines.com is the most affordable but I'm think'n they are a big box store. Also, I think my failure is from a lean condition caused by changing the exhaust but not the jetting.

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    Call WFO. its pretty proven here on the forums that he knows what he is doing. if you cannot rebuild yourself, its best to have someone that can do a spectacular job. and just because a company can do it, doesnt always mean they are specialists in the field.. look for someone with a proven GPR background.. aka WFO.


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    Best Engines?

    As the owner of PWC Engine, i would like to add that we are not a big box store as said in the replies. Yes i have a big website, but the shop is certified machine shop not an assembly line like some of the competition. I am an engineer/machinist and have been building these engines pretty much since they have been out, raced in the early years and have had a small repair shop to a 3 line dealership for ten years. Our pricing is good and affordable, our parts aren't cheap but hand selected for the best combination of quality that works in that model engine. Over all we do not get many complaints for the amount of engines we manufacture. We have a good warranty and stand behind it. The price we offer is an honest price for what we are using and selling, if you think always that you get what you pay for, just realize that it is not always true. A lot of the engines that are priced higher are just that, priced higher. Be aware and read about engine companies, polices and overall customer satisfaction.
    Have a great season everyone, enjoy and be safe!

    Mike M.

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    not sbt. if you need a motor to sell a ski that is somehow worth more than it is parted out, an sbt will get it up and running. head gaskets and other stuff are thicker on them to lower compression so they last longer. however, they do come with a warrantee. pick your poison.

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    I stopped building engines for customers as when people do blow them up ( the only problem I ever had with an SBT engine was an improperly installed rotary valve back seal.) by having a bunch of guys spinning doughnuts for a few hours they come running with an attitude for a freebie. Or perhaps they skipped winterizing and come spring the engine is rusted.

    I had to defend against a number of these bozos. I pretty much stopped replacing engines when the cost of the engine/labor exceeds the book value of the ski by 100%..unless the ski was an absolute cherry example. Those seemed to be the people who screamed the loudest. replacing an engine does not make your jetpump bearing fail with expected sinkage.

    I do SBT with a sliding labor scale for replacements depending on how long it's been in use. I've had a single failure, that frankly speaking, could have happened to a seasoned pro.

    This is likely one of the largest debate points in the business. While some folks will say SBT is junk, their business would fail if they engine were really junk as they'd be replacing them for free more often then not.

    Would I stick an SBT engine in my personal ski?..sure I would..and I'd run the living daylights out of it also hoping I could wear it out/blow it up before the warranty ran out.

    Disclaimer: I am not an SBT employee or shareholder

    The one thing to bear in mind that you might get an engine back that has had the case welded. That's why my 951di never got rebuilt. a set of undamaged 951 cases have a pretty good value, and without a doubt, I'd get a 951 back from sbt that had a connecting rod hole patched.

    IF you are planning some performance mods, then for sure have one of the other builders put it together for you using top shelf parts.

    Even at cost, the better parts cost more then an SBT rebuild and if the skis book value isn't as high or higher. does it really pay to fix a ten year old ski? Even 5 years ago the cost of a good rebuild for a 951di exceeded the book value of the ski.

    Well it does and if you are like me and love something that has treated you well. I'll likely keep my 91 f150 till I can't drive anymore. It's been _that_ good to me. But for the majority of riders I don't think it will.

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    For me personally i dont even care what the book value of my ski is. I love the skis i have and will fix whatever breaks. I have no plans or desire to ever sell them. In that case i would build a motor myself.

    i do have a ski with an SBT motor in it and it has run great for me. I dont know exactly how many hours on it but i bet its around 50.

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