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    EZ Dock of Long Island Shibby1485's Avatar
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    Please Consider Business Ethics

    As many of you know, primarily those on the Seadoo side, I have been a member of this forum from its earliest stages as solely a 4-tec forum and rxpperformance.com and the various other domains it took on, a moderator for quite a long time, and also have had tremendous involvement in the watercraft industry via employment in a dealership.

    Over the course of these past few years this site has continued to grow, evolve, and gain recognition by top PWC organizations and magazine journalists. This has led to a large influx of new users of all types: recreational riders, sanctioned racers, shop technicians and salesman, etc.

    I welcome each and any one of you to contact me with questions you may have and a large sum of people take me up on that. Iím exposed to a large volume of forum members contacting me asking for prices on parts, availability of skis, asking for advice, looking for reassurance, or just looking for friendship. Itís the most demanding job Iíve ever had, and I love it, and I love not making a red cent from doing what I do here. I happily help and share what I do know and point people in the right direction, and at times I can lose it or have a rough day like any other human being and blow off a few PMs and get disgruntled, but thatís me, thatís human, and we have good days and bad.

    Point beingÖ I participate on the forum A LOT. I share a lot about technical information, and share a lot about my personal life as well as if the forum was family and you all knew what girl I was with, or what ski I currently owned, or which motor I blew up this month, or which nights I was drunk at college (man I miss college)Ö. I work in a shop, I have dealer accounts with just about any manufacturer, catalog, or performance company you desire, yet I can honestly say I never made a single sale of a single part on this forum aside from new unit sales or an extended warranty promotion Jerry and I organized a few years ago when the forum was smaller. Participation and Contribution Ö 100% volunteerÖ

    So you ask, how does the title of this thread tie into what Iím trying to convey? EasyÖÖ Disrespect and Greed.

    It has come to my attention that with the large influx of forum membership, that disrespect and greed has caused people to lose sight of some business ethics and we have shop owners and technicians among us that prefer to ignore the participation aspect of the forum and just sell parts to rival the prices found in the online store. The very online store that SUPPORTS and RUNS this community forum. Itís disappointing these individuals give nothing to the sport, nothing to the forum, but will gladly make some money off you. Some of you may jump up and down at an opportunity to save some money, whereas some of you have come to me asking if this type of behavior is permitted, if I was aware of it, or if I have pursued something similar on my own since I have plentiful resources. Iím happy to see a lot of you view this as wrong and unethical, as do I.

    I made mention of some of these matters to Jerry (Green Hulk, the site founds and owner), and he was greatly deterred to hear that such things were occurring right before his eyes on his own forum via PMs and e-mail.

    There is no way for the site administration to keep the place open to the public with unrestricted registration while simultaneously shielding out those individuals that are here only to make a quick buck. On behalf of Jerry and the rest of the administration and moderator staff, we ask you to please consider these facts in the event you are approached by solicitors. Please report such instances to any member of the staff via PM or e-mail and you are promised to remain completely and utterly anonymous.

    Thank you for your time.


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    VERY WELL SAID!
    A lot of you guys know me. and know i am here
    only for the love of the sport. I WAS A RIVA CLOWN BEFORE i found my home here.

    I will not let anything come before this place and my many freinds. of whom know i am holding and feeding one of the twins while typing one handed!

    ride free, ride it hard, and put it away WET!

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    Smile

    Very good words for everyone to follow! AMEN

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    I don't think a business should only use the forum just to try to sell parts for there own gain, And take away from the online store they need to contribute to the forum. And i think what might help the forum is having businesses advertisement on the forum on what service's they provide for a (fee) with an agreement they will not be in competition in selling parts on the forum with the online store i think that would stop a lot of that. Just my 2 cents. Thank you, Jim
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    I guess I've been out of the loop on what's going on - are there new members sending out PM's trying to sell parts at discount prices? Sorry, I read your post a few times but don't quite understand the issue. Something about people selling parts cheap and not participating on the forum?

    Just want to make sure I understand - thanks.

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    "DISRESPECT AND GREED" These are two attributes that will ALWAYS come back to haunt you in one way or another, whether its business, personal or both!

    I appriciate the GREEN HULK allowing us to have this forum for some of us to learn. Just ordered an 800 grate from the online store. This one won't break now will it?

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    EZ Dock of Long Island Shibby1485's Avatar
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    yea i guess i wasn't clear enough and didn't spell it out... i mentioned this is primarily directed at dealers and techs and shop owners that have accounts with AM companies and are rivalling the retail prices in the online store via PMs and such.

    this is for the RETAIL segment, not resale. Used parts has nothing to do with this matter, just the retail of new parts by dealers that are undermining the online store by privately soliciting sales

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    Gotcha - makes sense.

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