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    ANyone have Arthritis? In NecK?

    Guys I have been having some searious pain in my neck the past few years and about two months ago My Doc sent me for a MRI. I have Spodylosis with Degenerative disc and bone spurs on my Neck, C1--7

    Well I have no central nerve issues (good thing), but the Spodylosis (or Arthritis) Is just been annoying the heck out of me. It is a constant nag and discomfort.

    I do not take any Drugs, but I am considering something just to get my life back to happiness.

    Any thoughts????? Anyone have this?

    I want to go ride, but just can't get this to stop beating me down.

    Yep, I am fairly young (36) and this is from Football. Boy do I wish I could go back and not do it. 20 more years to work and Bills to the ski make things even worse. Not to mention I hope the rest of my life doesn't have to be like this. I need something to happen!!!


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    Spondylosis, or arthritic formations on the cervical vertebrae, are common and may be caused by trauma or just the natural consequence of aging. Disc degeneration is the same. The MRI is often used to see if the spurring or disc bulging is pressing against a nerve. Thats often the big issue. A secondary test that may be ordered depending on MRI result is an EMG or nerve conduction study. The EMG is used to determine whether the nerve's ability to carry electrical impulse is compromised.

    There are many courses of treatment including do nothing, exercise and/or physical therapy, non-steroidal anti-inflammatory medication, narcotics, steroid injections or surgery. There are also "alternative" treatments like acupuncture that work for some but not others. Although cervical arthritis is very common, the abilities of physicians to explain the situation to their patients and make recommendations can vary widely. Often, the treatment program is driven in part by insurance and the expectation that treatment should start as conservative as possible, and ratchet up as patient pain or disability may warrant. Sometimes insurance will only pay for a general practitioner opinion unless gp recommends consult by ortho surgeon or neuro surgeon. Having more than one opinion may be a good idea.

    Dont feel too bad about your decision to play football. You probably had a lot of fun at the time and good memories. Unless you had a specific trauma to your spine, you may well have developed arthritis anyway. Some people have big or small spurs or disc bulges that cause no pain while others have many symptoms. Some people need aggressive treatment while others do not. Some respond very well to something as simple as ibuprofen while others need more serious meds.

    I think the best thing anyone can do in this situation is get fully informed so you understand the doctor's diagnosis and recommendations. Its amazing how much info is accessible on web. Getting fully educated is important so you can play an active role in your treatment decisions.

    I am not a doctor but I am familiar with these topics. I hope this may help in some way and I wish you good luck and good health.
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    One other thing. Studies have shown that if you take 1,000 MRIs of the general population in your age group who have NO pain or symptoms, a significant number will still have some type of disc degeneration. Interpretation of the MRI in context and in correlation to clinical symptoms is important.

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    Blue, I think what is getting me worse is the way my GP explained it to me. He read the MRI report from the radiologist and that was it. He then Started his frist words as I am so sorry, so sorry, you have Spodylosis and on and on. I shouldn't see this in you. you are to young for this. So it automatically put this fear in my head, of oh shit and am I gonna feel this way for the rest of my life? He then tossed me Celebrex and a pain med. Has anyone read what Celebrex says on its package. F that!
    I haven't taken any DRUGS at all, So maybe I should take a ibuprofen to just see how it makes me feel. I was the one that went and actually picked up my MRI pics, so i may get a Specailist to explain it to me. I didn't like his explaination and just maybe a better one will make more sense to me and maybe make me feel better. I look at them and to me it doesn't look, so bad. BUT I am not trained to read them.

    I have started working out and I do a full training program. I have lost 26 lbs and still nothing yet.

    I have been going to the chiroprator for about 2month striaght as he said it would help my issue's, but I think maybe it is what is stirring up the aggravation. Atleast my wife and I think.

    Education: Yes, I think I have got way to much NET info. I am tired of reading. So much out there, but to hear it from someone that is not gonna B.S. me or give me some meds and say good bye is what I am looking for.

    In most cases for me it is a aggravating tension all day everyday and leads to headaches most of the time. Movement is not so bad but when I look back it is stiff and hard.

    Thanks so much for the chat.

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    I'm sorry to hear about your story...I know your pain though. I am now 43 and have had back and neck issues since I was 6! I was told back then there was nothing they could do and I just have to live with it. Anyway, recently my neck has gotten very bad and I had the same MRI done which showed some degeneration in my disks as would most people my age. My main problem was soft tissue damage. As for the disks, they can regenerate them with great success...for this, I went to a very good back and neck facility. With specific exercises and therapy, they can actually get your discs back to normal. As for the Spodylosis, I don't know anything about it so I can't offer any experience with it...just wish you the best for making it tolerable!

    P.S. Forgot to mention they also had me take some anti-inflammatory drugs during my therapy.

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    JetskiMN I would love to learn about the rehab for the Disc rehab issue. I sent you a pm!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Water4fire View Post
    Blue, I think what is getting me worse is the way my GP explained it to me. He read the MRI report from the radiologist and that was it. He then Started his frist words as I am so sorry, so sorry, you have Spodylosis and on and on. I shouldn't see this in you. you are to young for this. So it automatically put this fear in my head, of oh shit and am I gonna feel this way for the rest of my life? He then tossed me Celebrex and a pain med. Has anyone read what Celebrex says on its package. F that!
    I haven't taken any DRUGS at all, So maybe I should take a ibuprofen to just see how it makes me feel. I was the one that went and actually picked up my MRI pics, so i may get a Specailist to explain it to me. I didn't like his explaination and just maybe a better one will make more sense to me and maybe make me feel better. I look at them and to me it doesn't look, so bad. BUT I am not trained to read them.

    I have started working out and I do a full training program. I have lost 26 lbs and still nothing yet.

    I have been going to the chiroprator for about 2month striaght as he said it would help my issue's, but I think maybe it is what is stirring up the aggravation. Atleast my wife and I think.

    Education: Yes, I think I have got way to much NET info. I am tired of reading. So much out there, but to hear it from someone that is not gonna B.S. me or give me some meds and say good bye is what I am looking for.

    In most cases for me it is a aggravating tension all day everyday and leads to headaches most of the time. Movement is not so bad but when I look back it is stiff and hard.

    Thanks so much for the chat.
    WFF, what you just said tells me a lot. Its not an uncommon scenario. Patient walks into GP who has radiologist report and says "wow, this is abnormal" with little explanation or context. Patient hears they have "abnormal" spine, and it has major psychological impact.

    Under some insurance policies, the GP is the "gatekeeper" for all medical care. Some are stingy about referring to a specialist (ortho or neuro surgeon), others do it all the time esp if they lack the required expertise to assess the situation. I myself would not rely solely on GP opinion if possible nerve root compression is at issue.

    People's views on medication vary. For some, these antinflammatories and/or pain meds work wonders. The drug companies have to list all side effects even if the true statistical incidence is low. Carefully trying specific meds under dr supervision may be good idea.

    People's views on chiropractic vary. If it works for the person, great. I think Id want to know what an ortho or neuro surgeon said about possible nerve root compression though before getting neck tweaked. Applying twisting force to a bulging or herniated disc, or to arthritic spurs that are touching a nerve may be "contraindicated."

    I'm not sure what is meant by disc "regeneration." As we get older, the once soft squishy disc (that works like a bushing between the vertebrae) naturally and progressively degenerates getting more dry and gristly. I dont think its possible to regrow a disc. Its possible to surgically remove disc material that is compressing a nerve or to "fuse" 2 vertebrae together to prevent futher twisting force on disc.

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    Blue, I have a appt: with my GP tomorrow and am gonna get a Specailist appt: Period. I need it for my piece of mind!

    I also was only saying what JetskiMN stated.

    His quote:
    "My main problem was soft tissue damage. As for the disks, they can regenerate them with great success..."

    I didn't think they could regenerate anything.


    I hope my Stuff is all in my head after his crappy UN-informative explaination.

    I really appreciate the advise and just to talk about it with some of same interest really helps out...

    So anyone please feel free to post anything.
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