Thread: Neck brace?
04-07-2008, 06:46 PM #1
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So I've had a sobering reality check lately. Last October, my Dad ran his KTM 300MXC into a tree at the top of first with no safety gear. He broke several bones and his neck, which will all heal. However, he is also suffering nerve damage and has no use of his left arm. Then, a week ago, one of my best friends wrecked his dirt bike on a jump and crushed his C5 vertebra, and now he's paralyzed from his chest down.
This all has made me analyze some of my own activities. My RXP does over 80 and I already have a high quality life preserver. During a high speed get-off, it seems to me like your neck is in danger. My Dad and friend have it bad, but if I were to become paralyzed from the neck down, I don't know what I'd do.
So, I started looking at neck braces and have found everything from $50 to $600. What are the opinions on these:
04-07-2008, 07:43 PM #2
08-13-2008, 11:05 AM #3
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I have yet to see an "Alpinestars vs Leatt" discussion which doesn't involve the supposed "collarbone crushing canon" which the Leatt brace is and which the Alpinestar isn't.
IMHO, the reason why Alpinestars took so long to release the brace is not because they put 3+ years to make a better brace, but because it took them 3+ years to go around all the features patented by Leatt. Leatt locked pretty much every useful feature by a patent, and releasing anything that will have a similar function without patent infringement is something which requires time and money.
The "Leatt breaks collarbones / Alpinestars doesn't" mumbo jumbo first started in the Italian motocross magazines (especially motocrossdigital, which I otherwise value as one of the best MX magazines ever), strangely enough, a month or so before the Alpinestars brace (finally) became available.
This is more than understandable, given that Alpinestars is an italian brand. I'd be an italian magazine, I'd support them too.
Then Alpinestars started this off the record speech in Europe. "Ryan Villopoto came to us because he broke a collarbone with a Leatt last year". "Not because we paid him an undisclosed amount of money to wear it, no, just because he wanted the best brace and the Leatt is caca-poo-poo"
Not to bash Alpinestars, they have great products, but I find it fishy that the same speech I saw in Italian magazines strangely enough comes as a sales pitch from Alpinestars resellers in the US, the minute it becomes available there. And I find this disgusting.
The energy released during a shock like that is huge, and it has to go somewhere. Elsewhere in the body. It can't be stored in a tank or something
I would be Alpinestars, I'd be cautious about such hidden sales pitch practices. Where does THEIR brace send the impact energy ? What will their sales pitch be when people start dislocating shoulders instead of breaking collarbones ?
It's give or take. As far as I'm concerned, I'd rather prefer to break a collarbone than a neck. I am not expecting a Leatt to protect me from stupidity, and at least with that one, I know what is the next weak point in my body. With Alpinestars, I don't. Not that I wouldn't wear an Alpinestars, I'm sure they did their homework too.
Complaining about broken collarbones with a Leatt would be the same as complaining that during a car crash, the airbag can break your nose (they do) or explode your eardrums (easy). It's still better than having your steering wheel becoming part of your head.
Besides, I haven't heard of any other racer than Ryan Villpoto breaking his collarbone with a Leatt. And at his riding level, I guess you don't crash often, but when you do - you crash hard. I'm curious to see what he would have broken should he had not been wearing a Leatt. Or actually no, I don't want to know.
Last edited by goblin; 08-13-2008 at 12:44 PM.
08-15-2008, 02:53 AM #4
Designers/companies are very passionate about their products, they have to be, they must believe in thier stuff for sure....what I have witnessed is that focusing on the competition and worrying about it to the point of fear, says a little something about a lack of confidence or esteem..I've seen this in my zone of operations, and its almost comical now at my age. It also seems that the general malaise in business is that 'you can make yourself an authority by merely stating it', is accepted by the masses nowadays, people are shallow enough to beleive what they read in news reports even without questioning as if they are reading the whole truth. The only way is to talk to a trusted friend, or trial the gear yourself, fit, function, and pricing are usually driving points for sales, and the best customer is a happy customer they will do all your PR for you!
08-15-2008, 04:39 AM #5
08-15-2008, 09:53 AM #6
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It's funny that the same day I wrote my post, my Moto Verte (a french offroad magazine I subscribe to) has arrived, and there is a 8 page article about the Leatt
Pretty interesting article. Moto Verte has never been too hot about the Leatt Brace, but the article is good, with opinions from both people who love the Leatt, people who hate it, and an interview with Dr Leatt himself (the inventor). I can't translate the whole article, it's too long, but here are the main points:
- What does Moto Verte think about the Leatt ?
"We are not against the Leatt, but we can't say anything about it because there have been no official studies of its protective effect.
- What does the FIM think ?
"We can not make it mandatory in races, because there have been no official studies about its protective effect. But we can not advise against it, too.
The main problem is that their work has never been validated on human cadavers. As grim as it sounds, this is the final step in validating work like that, after the hi tech crash dummies and the computer simulations.
What both MV and the FIM think ?
"The fact that there have not been any official studies on the subject is due simply to the fact that THERE ARE NO STANDARDS DEFINED on the matter ! Nobody ever thought about defining official standards on neck protecting devices. It's not Leatt's fault if there are no official studies, and they had to make their own studies on the matter. It's not like there are official standards set, and Leatt fails to pass them or something."
- What does Dr Leatt say ?
"I decided to work on the subject a few years ago, after an offroad racer at a race I attended crashed, broke his neck and died almost in my arms a few minutes later. There were no studies, defined standards or anything we could base our work on. So we started from scratch and did our own testing."
Note: He doesn't brag about it, but according to Moto Verte, the brace has also been put through thourough tests and validations in BMW's own road safety lab in Germany, and has been chosen to be the product BMW puts it's name on. The braces sold by BMW are rebadged Leatts.
- Why has Leatt locked the market by putting patents pending on every single feature of the brace ? Wouldn't that be counter productive for safety ?
Leatt: we have put patents on the results of OUR RESEARCH, on which we spent millions in time and cash. The competing braces that have been released so far, all rely on our work. All the competing companies can feel free to do their own research and find something new and better - THAT will be good for the safety of the customer. Simply copying our design will not"
Last edited by goblin; 08-16-2008 at 12:33 AM.
12-24-2008, 06:33 PM #7
I think the hans device has been around for longer then Leatt or EVC devices, and hans is used in all forms of top motosport including formular 1.
Although, the hans device is designed for frontal impact (ie protecting the head from sudden excessive forward movement, the dangers in our sport is the neck being thrown the opposit direction (backwards) as water pics up the front of our helmets and forces the neck back.
Is anyone using any form of Neck brace?
Thor Motocross: Race Neck Collars
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12-24-2008, 06:38 PM #8
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I'm supposed to be getting an EVS Evolution for Christmas. I'll let you know how it works.
12-25-2008, 11:57 AM #9
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why you need one . . .
12-25-2008, 02:15 PM #10
Do you guys think that a $500 helmet vs a $100 helmet is needed in watercraft racing? If your doing CC you have a much greater chance of getting ran over as opposed to Endurnace racing.
As for the neck braces, we have our PFD's that add some small amout of neck support (not enough though), would the smaller foam brace be good if you "come off" at a high rate of speed? What are your thoughts John?
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