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    Walmart, High Cost of Low Prices

    Has anyone seen this movie/documentary under the free section of Comcast's ON DEMAND?


    http://www.walmartmovie.com/


    What are your thoughts?


    Looks like I am no longer I Walmart shopper.


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    I made the decision a long time ago to stop going there. For several reasons, they SUCK. Sometimes you almost have to go there, but there are alternatives.

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    Its a fascinating topic. When a neighboring community here mobilized to keep a Walmart from opening I thought it was snobbery run amok. But then I started reading more and discovered many other communities had the exact same debate. Brutal predatory tactics. May yield lower prices in short term but maybe designed to destroy competition in end. History of strong arm labor and litigation tactics. Low wages boost company profits but local governments may have to make up difference with various benefits subsidized by taxpayers. Some of those low priced goods are manufactured in places with no environmental or labor regulations. Many stories of how WM buys up rural real estate, raises rents and forces mom & pop stores into bankruptcy. No intention of opening up own store, just elimination of competition and concentration of market share. But it wasnt that long ago that Sam Walton was hailed from coast to coast as a genius, WM stock rated strong buy with incredible returns. So, are you a pure capitalist or a pure socialist? Very difficult questions when you get into the nitty gritty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue 182 View Post
    Its a fascinating topic. When a neighboring community here mobilized to keep a Walmart from opening I thought it was snobbery run amok. But then I started reading more and discovered many other communities had the exact same debate. Brutal predatory tactics. May yield lower prices in short term but maybe designed to destroy competition in end. History of strong arm labor and litigation tactics. Low wages boost company profits but local governments may have to make up difference with various benefits subsidized by taxpayers. Some of those low priced goods are manufactured in places with no environmental or labor regulations. Many stories of how WM buys up rural real estate, raises rents and forces mom & pop stores into bankruptcy. No intention of opening up own store, just elimination of competition and concentration of market share. But it wasnt that long ago that Sam Walton was hailed from coast to coast as a genius, WM stock rated strong buy with incredible returns. So, are you a pure capitalist or a pure socialist? Very difficult questions when you get into the nitty gritty.
    We stopped one going in behind my house, the community came together to keep them out and it worked, but we got a large low price supermarket in its place....not any better if you ask me. I opposed the walmart for a couple of reasons:
    1. Already have a target, costco, and 2 walmarts within 10 miles
    2. Increased big rig flow on the road behind my house
    3. Trashy appearance and people, the other two near us allow campers to stay there and it seems nobody cleans up the trash, not to mention the storage bins kept in the parking lot for product storage

    I hate what low price big box stores are doing to our economy. I stay away from walmart but do shop at target...is there any difference? I try to keep my money local, but with prices of gas and everything going up like it has been I can't keep spending more at local stores and on american made products.

    I do like to keep my money local, case in point....I just bought an item from a local mom and pop store for $300 more than I found it online. Why? Because I got personal service by people who knew what they were talking about and because I know my money is going to keep my local community afloat.

    I think the problem with us is that we think higher wages = better life, but we fail to realize the correlation between high wages and ridiculously high prices of consumer goods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KirkF350 View Post
    I made the decision a long time ago to stop going there. For several reasons, they SUCK. Sometimes you almost have to go there, but there are alternatives.
    +1 i agree same..

    but

    there is one on the way to one lake by us, and it is like one of those things where you don't have a grocery store by you and you forget something, or you forgot something and your too far from home, what are you going to do..

    i mean we don't shop there, but I do go there to get like 5200 and 4200 cause well it's the only place in town literally...

    if your going to the lake and you forgot your uncles favorite chips, or dads whatever and you dont want to go back 10 minutes and through traffic..

    your gonna stop..

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    Good discussion

    I am torn on the issue. An american company that puts out products and at reasonable costs is a good thing.

    Competition is a good thing.

    Competition keeps people working hard.

    The arguments against it sometimes leave a lot to be desired. The people with the NIMBY attitude is sometimes disgusting and narrow minded. If you dont like what someone does on their land and it is properly zoned for it, and is not doing anything destructive or illegal, we all ready have laws and dont need more, then that owner of that property should be allowed to do with it as he pleases. Personal property rights are one thing this nation was built upon. If you dont like it, feel free to offer to purchase it from the owner.

    It also makes me wonder, hey why has the local mom and pop shop been overcharging me and all the other people all these years?

    People complain about the clientel of Wal Mart ? Really? are they not the local townsfolks of where you live? What does that say about where you live?

    People complain about the wages they pay their employees? Is it not the owners store and should he not be able to set his own guidelines for potential employees that APPLIED to work at his facility. I didnt say hold a gun to his head and make him sign an employment application. That employee went to whatever employer and said " hey can I have a job. "

    they let people camp overnight in their lot, that is awesome ! Do you have an RV and travel across country? i do and if I need to I am glad I can park somewhere and then get back on the road again.

    People dont clean up their trash ? people need to. Lets all do something positive about this.

    You hate the big box store but still shop there, no one is holding a gun to your head to do one way or the other.

    I patronise that which is beneficial to me, I went to the local Mom and Pop bicycle shop yesterday for turely professional help and also went to Home Depot in the same day for some lumber because the local yard charges way too much and the 8 dollar an hour guy at the yard isnt too bright, does that make me a bad American ?...

    But I see other peoples points, and am just a few questions . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue 182 View Post
    Its a fascinating topic. When a neighboring community here mobilized to keep a Walmart from opening I thought it was snobbery run amok. But then I started reading more and discovered many other communities had the exact same debate. Brutal predatory tactics. May yield lower prices in short term but maybe designed to destroy competition in end. History of strong arm labor and litigation tactics. Low wages boost company profits but local governments may have to make up difference with various benefits subsidized by taxpayers. Some of those low priced goods are manufactured in places with no environmental or labor regulations. Many stories of how WM buys up rural real estate, raises rents and forces mom & pop stores into bankruptcy. No intention of opening up own store, just elimination of competition and concentration of market share. But it wasnt that long ago that Sam Walton was hailed from coast to coast as a genius, WM stock rated strong buy with incredible returns. So, are you a pure capitalist or a pure socialist? Very difficult questions when you get into the nitty gritty.
    Quote Originally Posted by _Lurker_ View Post
    We stopped one going in behind my house, the community came together to keep them out and it worked, but we got a large low price supermarket in its place....not any better if you ask me. I opposed the walmart for a couple of reasons:
    1. Already have a target, costco, and 2 walmarts within 10 miles
    2. Increased big rig flow on the road behind my house
    3. Trashy appearance and people, the other two near us allow campers to stay there and it seems nobody cleans up the trash, not to mention the storage bins kept in the parking lot for product storage

    I hate what low price big box stores are doing to our economy. I stay away from walmart but do shop at target...is there any difference? I try to keep my money local, but with prices of gas and everything going up like it has been I can't keep spending more at local stores and on american made products.

    I do like to keep my money local, case in point....I just bought an item from a local mom and pop store for $300 more than I found it online. Why? Because I got personal service by people who knew what they were talking about and because I know my money is going to keep my local community afloat.

    I think the problem with us is that we think higher wages = better life, but we fail to realize the correlation between high wages and ridiculously high prices of consumer goods.

    holy cow!!!
    I believe here in LEH, the local gov is also stopping wally world from purchasing realestate and buildsing a super store...
    Our local wlamart in the other direction BLOWS, even tho the locals work there, they don`t give a rats behind, the inventory sucks, and they can`t even spell their own names.
    Sometimes we are kinda forced to go their bc of fuel costs and lack of other competitve store to purchase from... we basically get paper goods, gum, and a few auto supplies like car wash soap, everything else is crap to the hilt... my .02 worth...

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    That DVD seemed kinda weak, maybe I missed the point.
    It's kinda like, "ohhhh no, another big bad evil American company," well give me a break... I'm not saying Wal-Mart is perfect, but I think many of the social activists who hate Wal-Mart are actually socialist liberals who hate capitalism at every level.

    As a consultant, I love Wal-Mart, I have worked with the management team in Bentonville and they are one of the most down to earth companies I have ever seen. They are not a fancy company, no marble offices or ivory palaces out there. They like working with small businesses and entrepreneurs and I can tell you from experience, you may hear a lot of whining but the fact is---many people have made a LOT of money teaming up with Wal-Mart.

    As a consumer I love Wal-Mart too.
    They bend over backwards to let me return just about anything I have ever bought---sometimes a year after I bought it. Try that with another retailer. For many small towns, they are the ONLY retailer with the balls to build a store out in the sticks. They take the risk, they get the reward of the market share. It's the American way, capitalism at its best.

    I understand the problem with local small businesses, I own one, but I have seen a lot of those small business owners who whine about Wal-Mart will go to Sam's Club (owned by Wal-Mart) on the weekend and buy tons of stuff wholesale so they can make money reselling it at their stores! Are they perfect? No, but I think America has worse enemies than Wal-Mart stores.

    Target? They have great branding and nice stores, but it seems like almost everything I ever bought there has broken within a few weeks, I'm not kidding... okay, I'll get off my soap box now...
    Last edited by YoYamma; 07-11-2008 at 07:20 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pale Rider View Post
    holy cow!!!
    I believe here in LEH, the local gov is also stopping wally world from purchasing realestate and buildsing a super store...
    Our local wlamart in the other direction BLOWS, even tho the locals work there, they don`t give a rats behind, the inventory sucks, and they can`t even spell their own names.
    Don't forget, you do live in NJ, what do you expect? ..... only kidding, somewhat. The stores location does have a part in the quality of the employees. I do try to shop locally, then again, Target, Home D'pot, Wallmart are all about an hour away from me.

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    they let people camp overnight in their lot, that is awesome ! Do you have an RV and travel across country? i do and if I need to I am glad I can park somewhere and then get back on the road again.

    People dont clean up their trash ? people need to. Lets all do something positive about this.
    I was taught when I left an area (camping) that I was to leave it in the same or if possible better condition than when I arrived. Looking at the parking lot at wally world it seems I'm the only one who does this. I have no problem with people camping there as a stop on their way across America, I do have a problem with people living in the parking lot, creating a mess and major eye sore.

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