Page 1 of 2 1 2 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 19
  1. #1

    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    Lexington, Ky
    Posts
    1,656

    Braking system. 09 Doo's have it, lets make something up for our ski's!

    Just some thoughts, it just popped in my head.

    Ive seen the braking system on the new 09 SeaDoo's, it appears to use a modified reverse bucket system, and is obviously designed for this. We also have seen the trim tab looking brake kits, and heard of people pulling the reverse handle at speed.

    But this would be a fantastic safety addition to any ski, We've all at least once had to lean over the front in a hastened fashion to keep from bumping a friends boat, or the dock, or whatever.. Lets think up a braking system!

    1) Reverse thrust - It's the way SeaDoo did it, so why not lets use what we already have on the ski. Obviously some use of the reverse bucket connected to a brake lever is the place to start.

    2) For the brake control lever system this Riva part is perfect, and is not absurdly expensive for what it is (Riva? I know, I'm shocked too) nor is it very difficult to copy if someone already has one, and could take some closeups .

    We should be able to connect this to the reverse bucket linkage, and be able to lower it at a predefined position without affecting the normal operation of the forward/reverse/neutral lever (I think, need to look into this a little more, but I'm fairly sure).

    Or maybe convert the reverse bucket to be handle level operated is the way to go? I think I would much prefer to be able to squeeze a lever and shift into reverse/brake than use the big lever.

    Ideally some way to do this without burying the nose underwater.


  2. #2
    Focker Foggy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Olathe KS
    Posts
    672
    imo, i think using the reverse bucket as a "brake" would NOT hold
    up very long.. Just ask me how i know...
    I go thru at least 2 reverse buckets per summer...
    I like to do "submarines" alot.. You just use the reverse at a
    moderate speed (maybe 15 or so, just on plane) then you let off
    throttle , pull into reverse, let the nose dive, then go back to
    foward and give it some throttle..
    Pretty damn fun, but it breaks the grates ALOT !!!
    I think if you used the reverse at any decent speed, you would
    nose dive big time and bust the grate (maybe the cable and handle too)
    more times than not..
    just my opinion

  3. #3
    Banned User
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    Ft.Lauderdale
    Posts
    3,237
    I think a aluminum reverse bucket would be the chit.. I've used my "Brakes" many times with no ill effects but I could see if you threw it into reverse at speed how that would give you some trouble (If your doing this don't ever as me to ride my ski cuz you must be missing a couple screws)
    Just for the purposes of slowing down when needed, I think a stronger bucket would make all the difference in the bucket making it through hard stops.

  4. #4
    Focker Foggy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Olathe KS
    Posts
    672
    I'd love to find an aluminum reverse bucket!!!
    I'm sure i'd find the next weakest link though.

    Doing the submarines is addictive.. My electric bilge
    pump works overtime some days!!!


    The buckets crack and break usually at the pivot points on
    each side of the nozzle ( the 13 mm headed bolts)
    Sometimes the metal bar even bends... Just replaced 1 today.

  5. #5
    jpeconsult's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Location
    Pineville, LA
    Posts
    5,448
    +1
    1
    yeah, just use the reverse bucket...Our skis need a sound effect of tires squeeling, when the "brake" is used.

  6. #6
    Banned User
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    Lake Havasu
    Posts
    2,924
    +1
    27
    Quote Originally Posted by Foggy View Post
    imo, i think using the reverse bucket as a "brake" would NOT hold
    up very long.. Just ask me how i know...
    I go thru at least 2 reverse buckets per summer...
    I like to do "submarines" alot.. You just use the reverse at a
    moderate speed (maybe 15 or so, just on plane) then you let off
    throttle , pull into reverse, let the nose dive, then go back to
    foward and give it some throttle..
    Pretty damn fun, but it breaks the grates ALOT !!!
    I think if you used the reverse at any decent speed, you would
    nose dive big time and bust the grate (maybe the cable and handle too)
    more times than not..
    just my opinion
    I've used mine at 45mph and the bucket is still there. 08 RXT-X.....it doesn't submarine if you release it at the right time. I've also done the same speed, and hit the throttle....but you have to let off, or it goes under. Bucket on the X boats appears to be pretty strong...."he says as his bucket sinks to the bottom of the lake"

  7. #7
    jpeconsult's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Location
    Pineville, LA
    Posts
    5,448
    +1
    1
    Quote Originally Posted by iflyems View Post
    I've used mine at 45mph and the bucket is still there. 08 RXT-X.....it doesn't submarine if you release it at the right time. I've also done the same speed, and hit the throttle....but you have to let off, or it goes under. Bucket on the X boats appears to be pretty strong...."he says as his bucket sinks to the bottom of the lake"


  8. #8
    The ski's have taken a "backseat" to the Corvette DarthAWM's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Odessa, TX
    Posts
    5,364
    Patience Grasshoppas by next May the aluminum reverse bucket from the iS's will be readily available through the dealer network. And you know they will bolt up to the existing pump because BRP is cheap

  9. #9
    Moderator
    I build Horsepower
    NitroShark's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    Greenville,SC
    Posts
    1,388
    +1
    13
    Quote Originally Posted by boostaholic View Post
    Just some thoughts, it just popped in my head.

    We should be able to connect this to the reverse bucket linkage, and be able to lower it at a predefined position without affecting the normal operation of the forward/reverse/neutral lever .
    I would rather control my ski at the dock with my own power and not some computer ( use manual operation)

    At Speed:
    A safe distance from other PWC's is what you should be doing (so a brake is not required.)I keep (and all should)

    ......and As an extra safety device, i see a brake as nothing more than a bandaid to a New inexperience rider, its really no different than a "off turn steering" which most manufactures try to install and use but these are just like the "brake systems you are talking about.

    I vote for rider training, and less parts, But that may not help your post here.


    simply put: If you need a brake you are following too close.

    Keep in mind I'm all for safety but remember performance /experience has some compromises.

    Shawn

  10. #10

    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    Rydal, Georgia U S A
    Posts
    3,936
    +1
    14
    Quote Originally Posted by NitroShark View Post
    I would rather control my ski at the dock with my own power and not some computer ( use manual operation)

    At Speed:
    A safe distance from other PWC's is what you should be doing (so a brake is not required.)I keep (and all should)

    ......and As an extra safety device, i see a brake as nothing more than a bandaid to a New inexperience rider, its really no different than a "off turn steering" which most manufactures try to install and use but these are just like the "brake systems you are talking about.

    I vote for rider training, and less parts, But that may not help your post here.


    simply put: If you need a brake you are following too close.

    Keep in mind I'm all for safety but remember performance /experience has some compromises.

    Shawn
    +1 Training

Page 1 of 2 1 2 LastLast

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Similar Threads

  1. Yamaha Attacks Sea-Doo Brake System
    By rideliquid in forum Sea Doo Open Discussion
    Replies: 9
    Last Post: 06-27-2010, 09:40 PM
  2. Sea Doo Braking system
    By shawn alladio in forum High Performance Watercraft Safety
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 04-02-2009, 11:42 AM
  3. you guys have never let me down so i got a ? for yall
    By sleblanc in forum Polaris Open Discussion
    Replies: 9
    Last Post: 10-24-2006, 09:27 AM
  4. RXP extended VTS rod& wedge? Anyone have it?
    By Water4fire in forum 4-Tec Performance
    Replies: 7
    Last Post: 09-13-2006, 05:38 PM
  5. COUPLE MORE PICS OF MY "NO BRAKE SYSTEM"
    By peteshauling in forum Yamaha PWC Performance (2-stroke)
    Replies: 6
    Last Post: 03-03-2006, 09:11 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •