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    Helmet cams...

    I trying to decide between a few helmet cams. This would be used mostely as a helmet cam atving, jet skiing( probably not on a helmet), snow boarding, motorcycling and whatever else. One that seems really interesting is the Fire Camera FCII http://www.firevideo.net/. Its very hard to find any reviews other than through the company, which is usually bias. Its seems that they have put a lot of thought into it and i really like the the fact that it is waterproof and its an all in one unit that mounts on the helmet. I would have to experiment with mounting because its really made for a firefighters helmet.

    I am also considering the VIO POV.1, very nice unit but the recorder seems a bit bulky. The Elmo SUVII seems a bit more sleeker , but the recorder is not waterproof, bummer. Not too many videos of the elmo either to compare. I also wonder if the cable will get annoying with mobility and when taking the helmet off and on during frequent stops. I guess somethign to you have to deal with.

    The Vio seems to have the best video quality out of all of them, but the fire camera seems to have better low light video. I guess because its made for low light situations. I have seen a video at night with the vio and it is less than desireable. I guess i wouldnt be useing it at night much anyway. I also considered something like http://www.helmetcamera.com/ or putting together a kit, but than its not waterproof either unless i make a case for them. The price of these are up around the same as the Vio anyway, so i wonder if i will be better off with the VIO.

    Any thoughts? anyone use the FCII?

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    Any camera experts around????

    After researching i found the same camera/dvr that ww.helmetcamera.com - Home uses on their system on the original manufactures website for MUCH cheaper! Its a aiptek dv-5800 AIPTEK USA
    So this changes things a little. Now it seems a great system can be made for less than $300....They even have an HD video camera that looks the same and records 1280x720(60FPS). I think the resolution only matters what the lipstick camera puts out, but i would thing the 60 fps would make a huge improvement, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mustangous View Post
    ...I would thing the 60 fps would make a huge improvement, right?
    The 60FPS of the 720P HD format is definitely the best HD format for fast motion video.

    How aggressively the codec (H.264 or AVC) inside the camera compresses that fast motion video stream before saving it onto the memory card is another important factor in the resulting video quality. The more aggressive (smaller file size) the video compression, the poorer the video during fast motion.

    The other major factors are the optical qualities of the lens, and the quality (not pixel count) of the imaging sensor.

    The cameras you have listed remind me of the waterproof Sanyo Xacti series. The Sanyo VPC-CA9 is rated to IPX8, which is typically better than the IPX7 of many 'waterproof' cameras.



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    The video compression is MPEG-4 H.264, what ever that means??? is that good or bad? As for the cameras you posted, does any of them have a/v input? BEcause that is what i am looking for so i can use a helmet mount camera. It seems very hard to find dvr camera for a reasonable price.

    I have been looking at http://stuntcams.com/shop/index.php for the helmet cams. Know of any better places or preferences?

    Thanks

    edit: I has hight resolution @ 60 fps, but i just mentioned that because helmet cams probably wouldnt even use that resolution, right? Would this camera make use of its full resolution throught the a/v input, or just its own lens/sensor? Oh and the aiptek isnt waterproof, that is a downside....

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    If you're going to use a bullet cam with a digi cam get a 520 res cam. The better the digicam the better the recording. I use 3 different DVR's, not at the same time though. I use an rca lyra dvr when on long ride days. It will record over 2.75 hrs on a single battery charge but it's only 25fps & the quality is So-So. My aiptek HD cam will run up to 1.5 hrs but usually 1.25hr & has much better quality @ 30fps. The AV jack is limited on res. so you won't get the full 520 but maybe 480. Here's a few clips from my different cams.




    xacti waterproof cam. (hand held on the ski)

    http://www.lt1ls1.com/socalpwc/San%2...20boarding.mpg


    the rca lyra. (480 res bullet cam used)

    http://www.lt1ls1.com/socalpwc/Misc....upont_0002.wmv


    attached link below is the aiptek HD (480 res bullet used)









    Quote Originally Posted by Mustangous View Post
    The video compression is MPEG-4 H.264, what ever that means??? is that good or bad? As for the cameras you posted, does any of them have a/v input? BEcause that is what i am looking for so i can use a helmet mount camera. It seems very hard to find dvr camera for a reasonable price.

    I have been looking at http://stuntcams.com/shop/index.php for the helmet cams. Know of any better places or preferences?

    Thanks

    edit: I has hight resolution @ 60 fps, but i just mentioned that because helmet cams probably wouldnt even use that resolution, right? Would this camera make use of its full resolution throught the a/v input, or just its own lens/sensor? Oh and the aiptek isnt waterproof, that is a downside....
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    Thanks for your reply . So how would you compare a system like this with the VIO POV.1. Now that i have found a dvr for cheap, this seems a better way to go. Originally the only cam i could find was from the helmetcarmera.com or that stuntcams.com and they were expensive. Just as much as the vio. Now this is in a much better price range ..

    In your second video with the rca i saw you messing with a remote or something? Is it wired or wireless? That website has a ir remote for 9.99 for that camera and was thinking of getting to. Do you think it would work throught a jacket, or a bookbag? Probable would to see it to work. Thats another thing i liked about the vio was the remote....Did you have a screen to see the cameras output to adjust the camera, or just by the looks of the angle?

    Thanks again for your help.. now i have to find a camera...

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    I don't have a remote & yes, you can see the video live to adjust the view. I use a waterproof box like this to put the dvr in:
    http://www.parkeryamaha.com/pelicanmicrocasemedium.aspx

    The aiptek mpvr +s & dv5800 comes with a remote. An advantage these cams have over the vio besides the price is you can use it like a normal digicam too. Bullet cams have different lens for field of view preference.

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    this will drive you crazy with decisions..

    http://shop.ebay.com/items/?_nkw=bul...+cam&_osacat=0

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    well i called aiptek and they said that if i use the a/v input, all the camers use 480 30fps. So that threw having 720 @ 60fps out the window...

    So i am still unsure about which camera. This camera is pretty much going to only be used for my activities with a helmet cam.... decisions decisions...

    I am also stumped on the bullet cam, they are still around $150 and up for a 520, and up. I also i read a few places that a 580- resolution is fake and there is no such thing, so that makes me skeptical of a seller when they sell that. How do you setup a mic for sound? Does the video come from the bullet and the sound from the camcorder?

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    I found a great deal on the aiptek at walmart http://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ...uct_id=9208238

    Has anyone used these???? http://www.archos.com/products/gen_5...obal〈=en

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