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    I have said this 100 times! Guys If you are moding your SHO. FZR,FZS if you do NOT get your Target rpm's correct you will never be happy with your results! If you have a OEM ignition box unmodified your target rpm's should be 7600-7700. If you have a R1, R2, Vipec ,Motec then 8350-8450 is where you want to be. If you have a full built motor valves, springs, rod, pistons cam's ect. then you can even go higher if you want to. Anything less than these target rpm's will result in less than otimum performance. The correct PROP pitch is a must! This is regardless of what mods you have on your ski. Note: A GOOD AFTERMARKET TACKOMETER IS A MUST HAVE IN ORDER TO GET YOUR RPM'S CORRECT! Tommy Jordan
    Last edited by 2fast4u; 07-16-2011, 02:41 PM.
    The Fountain Boys "Never ride faster than your angel can fly" The R&D never stops! " A friend will get you out of jail, A GOOD friend will be sitting in jail with you saying " boy that was fun"

  • #2
    Good info Tommy.
    Last edited by mikeFZR; 10-11-2010, 12:11 PM.
    2009 FZR- Riva powerfilter, Riva ff exhaust, Riva manifold upgrade, HKS BOV, R&D grate/ ppk, R&D mppa, skat 13/20ish Tiny Tach, 2010 spacer, Modded VX Plate 74.9 @ 7650


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    • #3
      AMEN TO THAT!!

      guys take your time and read and take notes, seems like the same questions are being asked back to back on the forum lately..
      click on a link below to order a
      pump tunnel reinforcement for your yamaha in the forums online store.

      FZR/S http://www.4-tecperformance.com/inde...oducts_id=1927
      FX SHO http://www.4-tecperformance.com/inde...oducts_id=1337
      GPR http://www.4-tecperformance.com/inde...roducts_id=728

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      • #4
        Originally posted by mikeFZR
        Good info Tommy. When you are measuring the leading edge of your prop how far in do you measure? I know for the trailing edge you recommend the last 2.5 inchs. Thanks.
        2.5 inches from where the leading edge is closest to the wear ring on a swirl prop
        Last edited by 2fast4u; 10-09-2011, 02:03 PM.
        The Fountain Boys "Never ride faster than your angel can fly" The R&D never stops! " A friend will get you out of jail, A GOOD friend will be sitting in jail with you saying " boy that was fun"

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        • #5
          Originally posted by 305coco
          AMEN TO THAT!!

          guys take your time and read and take notes, seems like the same questions are being asked back to back on the forum lately..
          Since it's Sunday I thought I would do a little preaching to the masses!
          The Fountain Boys "Never ride faster than your angel can fly" The R&D never stops! " A friend will get you out of jail, A GOOD friend will be sitting in jail with you saying " boy that was fun"

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          • #6
            well according to my measurements my skat 13/23 is really a 14/22
            Last edited by mikeFZR; 10-11-2010, 12:11 PM.
            2009 FZR- Riva powerfilter, Riva ff exhaust, Riva manifold upgrade, HKS BOV, R&D grate/ ppk, R&D mppa, skat 13/20ish Tiny Tach, 2010 spacer, Modded VX Plate 74.9 @ 7650


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            • #7
              Tommy-
              Did you confirm via GPS that your exhaust mod vs. the riva free flow set up was no difference in speed? I'm thinking on doing your mod to my FZR.
              2014 FX SVHO - modded plate by Jim, Leo's wedge, SVHO Solas prop pitched 13/18, ribbon delete, Riva intake, R&D intake grate, TJ exhaust, fizzle, f1, R3 refined by Dean. 88+mph @ 9160 rpm- Sold

              2022 RXTX 300- Riva stage 2 tune, WJP rear intake, oem prop reworked, Riva Sponsons, Riva Catch can, bilge pump. 78.6 mph @ 8200 rpm

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              • #8
                Originally posted by hdlefler
                Tommy-
                Did you confirm via GPS that your exhaust mod vs. the riva free flow set up was no difference in speed? I'm thinking on doing your mod to my FZR.
                same speed!
                The Fountain Boys "Never ride faster than your angel can fly" The R&D never stops! " A friend will get you out of jail, A GOOD friend will be sitting in jail with you saying " boy that was fun"

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by hdlefler
                  Tommy-
                  Did you confirm via GPS that your exhaust mod vs. the riva free flow set up was no difference in speed? I'm thinking on doing your mod to my FZR.

                  The best part about Tommy's mod is very little DRONE
                  Red FZS - R2, Stock Boost, Stock I/C
                  Pink Spark



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                  • #10
                    Are the RPM given by the jetski correct?...mine don't go over 8000 and i heve all those mods

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                    • #11
                      +1,000,000

                      Keep driving home this point Tommy. Everyone will be happier with their setups if they keep their target RPM in mind AT ALL TIMES. If you realize you are down on RPM one day, then you don't have to be bummed that your speed is not there. When you get the RPMs back on target, the speed will come.

                      Originally posted by pituco
                      Are the RPM given by the jetski correct?...mine don't go over 8000 and i heve all those mods
                      All what mods? You need to be really specific. As in every single mods even down to nozzle size at it ALL effects RPM. It helps if you keep your mods in your signature and up to date. That way you don't have to post it all the time and people can answer your questions easier.
                      2016 310R: R&D reflash - free air mods - R&D sponsons - 71.5 @ 7900 rpm

                      2008 SHO: R&D C3 SC wheel - R&D cam gears on S2 setting - R&D R3 reflashed ECU - RIVA manifold upgrade - RIVA FF exhaust -JD's cold air intake - RIVA grate - JD's intercooler and cooling kit - custom Skat long blade - R&D sponsons - Jim's modified stock rideplate - 81.9 mph @ 8500 rpm - SOLD

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by 2fast4u
                        I have said this 100 times! Guys If you are moding your SHO. FZR,FZS if you do NOT get your Target rpm's correct you will never be happy with your results! If you have a OEM ignition box unmodified your target rpm's should be 7700-7750. If you have a R1, R2, Vipec ,Motec then 8350-8450 is where you want to be. If you have a full built motor valves, springs, rod, pistons cam's ect. then you can even go higher if you want to. Anything less than these target rpm's will result in less than otimum performance. The correct PROP pitch is a must! This is regardless of what mods you have on your ski. Tommy Jordan
                        Help me understand this. My fxr has the stage one mods with vx rideplate. The max rpms were 7760 to 7790. After putting on the 13/22r the rpms dropped to 7550 to 7590 with maybe 1mph top end (maybe) and slower acceleration up to 55mph. Is it better to leave the stock prop on since it is in the target range? I've never heard any type of popping sound that is associated with bouncing off the limiter. Thanks for your help.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by sdman
                          Help me understand this. My fxr has the stage one mods with vx rideplate. The max rpms were 7760 to 7790. After putting on the 13/22r the rpms dropped to 7550 to 7590 with maybe 1mph top end (maybe) and slower acceleration up to 55mph. Is it better to leave the stock prop on since it is in the target range? I've never heard any type of popping sound that is associated with bouncing off the limiter. Thanks for your help.

                          i had the same issue on my fzr with stage one mods, the 13/22 dynafly made the ski cavitate on holeshot and dropped the rpm's to 7500 wich made the ski sluggish, i repitched the prop to 14/20 the larger leading edge (14) eliminated the cavitation and the smaller trailing edge (20) brought my rpm's back up to 7700
                          its spot on now..

                          hope this helps you.
                          click on a link below to order a
                          pump tunnel reinforcement for your yamaha in the forums online store.

                          FZR/S http://www.4-tecperformance.com/inde...oducts_id=1927
                          FX SHO http://www.4-tecperformance.com/inde...oducts_id=1337
                          GPR http://www.4-tecperformance.com/inde...roducts_id=728

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by 305coco
                            i had the same issue on my fzr with stage one mods, the 13/22 dynafly made the ski cavitate on holeshot and dropped the rpm's to 7500 wich made the ski sluggish, i repitched the prop to 14/20 the larger leading edge (14) eliminated the cavitation and the smaller trailing edge (20) brought my rpm's back up to 7700
                            its spot on now..

                            hope this helps you.
                            Thanks for resoponding. Did you notice any gain in top speed or acceleration?

                            Thanks again.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by sdman
                              Thanks for resoponding. Did you notice any gain in top speed or acceleration?

                              Thanks again.
                              Tommy's post is spot on and I'll add that for every 100rpms you increase or decrease, especially over 7K when the motor is making boost, you gain or lose 1mph. I'm almost complete with my testing, but I have lots of testing that shows 1pmh for every 100rpms I gain. So, to emphasize what Tommy J is saying here, the higher your RPMs, the more speed you will see and the better the performance of the boat. Hitman's boat probably would only run 71-72mph if he was only turning 7700rpms. He's making the speed because he's turning the RPMs. Adding bigger power mods like SC wheels and IC only increases the effect of turning higher RPMs and hence more MPH.

                              I picked up 350rpms and 3.5mph just by depitching the trailing edge by 1 degree!!
                              08 FX SHO, Mods: Riva Filter, Riva FF Exhaust and Waterbox, Riva Intake Grate and Pump seal kit, Riva Cooler and BOV, Jim's Modded Stock Plate and Hull Magic , Leo's Pump Wedge, Riva Sponsons, Stock Nozzle with Jim's Mods, Riva Breather, STOCK SC Shaft, R&D Anti Cav Cone, R&D R3 ECU, ET Low Boost SC wheel, Foam inserts removed, Skat 13/22 pitched by Jim, PET 2100, Dynotune Boost Gauge, AEM AF Gauge, Custom RRFPR- 40psi Idle
                              MPH= 81.5@8500rpms

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