Thanks obama and GM ...

[YoYamma]

I believe the whole Iraq operation was a waste myself. I don't feel the US has any right to invade a country to remove an evil person (dictator). That said, why haven't we gone into North Korea? What about Cuba? or other countries to change leadership so that it's convenient for us.

Okay, well how do you feel about stopping Hitler, do you feel that was a waste?
And do you feel the War on Terror is a waste?
Because I realize there are some folks who have a 'total non-intervention' policy on this stuff.

Again, I will stress; Saddam was not just your average 'dictator.'
He murdered two million, that's a full third of the Jews murdered in the Holocaust before we got motivated to stop him. We had a multi-national coalition against Iraq. To say the guy was a 'ticking bomb' would be an understatement. The whole world watched the live broadcasts every night showing Saddam sending those SCUD missiles into Israel. Residents were scrambling for protective clothing and gas masks, issued to most of the population. We eventually learned he didn't send in gas or biologicals, but NOBODY could predict what that bastard would do next, and that was the first time Tel Aviv had ever been hit in the history of the Israel-Arab conflict. Iraq was our best chance at getting a fairly stable government next to Iran. Now all of that has been blown to pieces by Obama, who has refused to negotiate a status of forces agreement (SOFA). History will reveal what now happens to Iraq; the black flags are already flying.

Cuba, not even close to Saddam's kind of record. Although having lived through the Missile Crisis here in FL, I fully believe that if they had not removed the Communist WMD's, we would have gone in and dealt with the situation. We were very close.

North Korea was stopped, at great cost. Was that a waste? Ask the South Koreans.
Was the fight that Reagan and others waged to suppress global Communism as waste? I say no; Communism is an aggressive, murderous ideology (just like the Nazis and the Islamist systems) that has resulted in the DEMOCIDE of 70 million humans, and we cannot sit back and watch it swallow up the world then come to our shores, because I believe the only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. If you don't believe this, go to Europe. I was telling Q a few days ago that my son just got back from Europe, he went to Normandy and saw Omaha Beach. I was proud of him for doing that. They just had the 70th Anniversary over there. One of the things he noticed on the tour of Berlin: the terrible scars left on their cities from East German Communism, Socialism, "occupation zones" and other government suppression programs. Not only physical scars (thousands of bullet holes still there in the walls) but also the scars on the people and their culture. He came back to the U.S. and told me in his own words, "COMMUNISM SUCKS."

Al Qaeda is back in Iraq because
President Obama and Hillary Clinton
chose not to block them

http://washingtonexaminer.com/al-qae...rticle/2550045

I agree...communism sucks and I get what you are saying, but in my opinion...what have we accomplished over there? The different factions were killing each other then and they still are now, whether we get involved or not.

Yep I know what you mean.
It's like the Hatfields and McCoy's over there; they hate each other. That's why I included that article. We DID accomplish a lot over there. "Obama and Clinton inherited a peaceful, stable, democratic Iraq." But now we have a disaster. It's going to become a training ground for every Jihadist under the sun. One could claim the worst things that ever happened to Iraq was Obama and Hillary. But Islamism happened too, and I will not point a finger at Obama or Bush without pointing a finger at Islamism.

And I really don't have a political solution for Islamism, Eric. As I have been saying for a long time, it is a political system, and I see it as a massive political problem. This is why whenever I see anyone involved in Islam, I encourage them to dump it; run from it, and keep their children away from it. The sons of Ishmael. The way I see it, they have cursed the Jews, and now God is cursing them. It's a spiritual issue.

[rlovebk]

Constitution 1 Obama 0

I'd like to agree, but law enforcement's abuse of civil liberties goes back quite a bit farther than Barry's admin. Repubs also have a pretty good track record of justifying the abuse of 4th Amendment rights in the name of "safety". It was a repub POTUS & Congress that gave us the Patriot Act.

Yes you are correct. Neither party has solid ground to stand on here, IMO.
Obama Admin extended Patriot Act if I remember correctly, which is one of the most intrusive and terrible acts as far as civil liberties go in recent history.
Another one I do not like is the "No Knock" warrants began in 1981 under Reagan. This is dangerous to both the person who's home this is being served on and the police. Hell they blasted a US Marine with 20 bullets one time behind this bs.

Little by little.

[rlovebk]

Your going to blame the Obama Admin for Iraq? What a buffoon.
He inherited a powder keg that would only remain somewhat stable if our young men and women were over there, along with more and more of our tax dollars. You obviously do not understand much about what we did to destabilize the balance of power and enhance the sectarian divisions in the region.

Wouldn't really expect you to. The world ends at the tip of your nose.

[YoYamma]

Your going to blame the Obama Admin for Iraq? What a buffoon.
He inherited a powder keg that would only remain somewhat stable if our young men and women were over there, along with more and more of our tax dollars. You obviously do not understand much about what we did to destabilize the balance of power and enhance the sectarian divisions in the region.

Actually, I blame ISLAMISM for Iraq.
I blame Obama for abandoning the process and opening the gates for ISIS/Al-Qaeda.
Go back and read my post again you Liberal jackazz. Unlike YOU, "I will not point a finger at Obama or Bush without pointing a finger at Islamism." Now sit down and STHU before we have to sedate you. And if you think our involvement was expensive, wait until you see the cost that is coming, as Iran engulfs the entire region for its Caliphate and then gets their bomb. You can't even imagine the cost that is coming.

The world ends at the tip of your nose.

The tip of your nose ends at Obama's azz.

[airbornexp]

Tragic and true...

http://www.westernjournalism.com/perhaps-strongest-told-yet-romneys-foreign-policy-predictions-spot/

[SHOdude]

I believe the whole Iraq operation was a waste myself. I don't feel the US has any right to invade a country to remove an evil person (dictator). That said, why haven't we gone into North Korea? What about Cuba? or other countries to change leadership so that it's convenient for us.

Okay, well how do you feel about stopping Hitler, do you feel that was a waste?
And do you feel the War on Terror is a waste?
Because I realize there are some folks who have a 'total non-intervention' policy on this stuff.

Again, I will stress; Saddam was not just your average 'dictator.'
He murdered two million, that's a full third of the Jews murdered in the Holocaust before we got motivated to stop him. We had a multi-national coalition against Iraq. To say the guy was a 'ticking bomb' would be an understatement. The whole world watched the live broadcasts every night showing Saddam sending those SCUD missiles into Israel. Residents were scrambling for protective clothing and gas masks, issued to most of the population. We eventually learned he didn't send in gas or biologicals, but NOBODY could predict what that bastard would do next, and that was the first time Tel Aviv had ever been hit in the history of the Israel-Arab conflict. Iraq was our best chance at getting a fairly stable government next to Iran. Now all of that has been blown to pieces by Obama, who has refused to negotiate a status of forces agreement (SOFA). History will reveal what now happens to Iraq; the black flags are already flying.

Cuba, not even close to Saddam's kind of record. Although having lived through the Missile Crisis here in FL, I fully believe that if they had not removed the Communist WMD's, we would have gone in and dealt with the situation. We were very close.

North Korea was stopped, at great cost. Was that a waste? Ask the South Koreans.
Was the fight that Reagan and others waged to suppress global Communism as waste? I say no; Communism is an aggressive, murderous ideology (just like the Nazis and the Islamist systems) that has resulted in the DEMOCIDE of 70 million humans, and we cannot sit back and watch it swallow up the world then come to our shores, because I believe the only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. If you don't believe this, go to Europe. I was telling Q a few days ago that my son just got back from Europe, he went to Normandy and saw Omaha Beach. I was proud of him for doing that. They just had the 70th Anniversary over there. One of the things he noticed on the tour of Berlin: the terrible scars left on their cities from East German Communism, Socialism, "occupation zones" and other government suppression programs. Not only physical scars (thousands of bullet holes still there in the walls) but also the scars on the people and their culture. He came back to the U.S. and told me in his own words, "COMMUNISM SUCKS."

Al Qaeda is back in Iraq because
President Obama and Hillary Clinton
chose not to block them

http://washingtonexaminer.com/al-qae...rticle/2550045

I agree...communism sucks and I get what you are saying, but in my opinion...what have we accomplished over there? The different factions were killing each other then and they still are now, whether we get involved or not.

Yep I know what you mean.
It's like the Hatfields and McCoy's over there; they hate each other. That's why I included that article. We DID accomplish a lot over there. "Obama and Clinton inherited a peaceful, stable, democratic Iraq." But now we have a disaster. It's going to become a training ground for every Jihadist under the sun. One could claim the worst things that ever happened to Iraq was Obama and Hillary. But Islamism happened too, and I will not point a finger at Obama or Bush without pointing a finger at Islamism.

And I really don't have a political solution for Islamism, Eric. As I have been saying for a long time, it is a political system, and I see it as a massive political problem. This is why whenever I see anyone involved in Islam, I encourage them to dump it; run from it, and keep their children away from it. The sons of Ishmael. The way I see it, they have cursed the Jews, and now God is cursing them. It's a spiritual issue.

I also meant to ask this question as well, what do we (the US) have to gain by getting involved in the conflict(s) over there?

Also, I am starting to see this also as an religious issue. Somebody told me last night that Islam is the only religion that promotes or encourages or allows violence?

[Q in Arizona]

PELOSI TO GREET NEW ARRIVALS AT BORDER

She will meet with children held at the South Texas Detention Facility

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi will travel to the southern border of the U.S. on Saturday to be briefed by Customs and Border Protection on the flood of unaccompanied minors entering the country.


The California Democrat will also meet with a group of children held at the South Texas Detention Facility.




“The humanitarian crisis unfolding across our nation’s southern border demands Congress come together and find thoughtful, compassionate and bipartisan solutions,” Pelosi said. “We must ensure our laws are fully enforced, so that due process is provided to unaccompanied children and the safety and well-being of unaccompanied children is protected. We must also work to address the root causes of the problem.”


More!

If I was one of these "immigrants" and saw her I would run back over the border.

[Q in Arizona]

This is rather weird and disturbing...

Massachusetts SWAT teams claim they’re private corporations, immune from open records laws

As part of the American Civil Liberties Union’s recent report on police militarization, the Massachusetts chapter of the organization sent open records requests to SWAT teams across that state. It received an interesting response.


As it turns out, a number of SWAT teams in the Bay State are operated by what are called law enforcement councils, or LECs. These LECs are funded by several police agencies in a given geographic area and overseen by an executive board, which is usually made up of police chiefs from member police departments. In 2012, for example, the Tewksbury Police Department paid about $4,600 in annual membership dues to the North Eastern Massachusetts Law Enforcement Council, or NEMLEC. (See page 36 of linked PDF.) That LEC has about 50 member agencies. In addition to operating a regional SWAT team, the LECs also facilitate technology and information sharing and oversee other specialized units, such as crime scene investigators and computer crime specialists.


Some of these LECs have also apparently incorporated as 501(c)(3) organizations. And it’s here that we run into problems. According to the ACLU, the LECs are claiming that the 501(c)(3) status means that they’re private corporations, not government agencies. And therefore, they say they’re immune from open records requests. Let’s be clear. These agencies oversee police activities. They employ cops who carry guns, wear badges, collect paychecks provided by taxpayers and have the power to detain, arrest, injure and kill. They operate SWAT teams, which conduct raids on private residences. And yet they say that because they’ve incorporated, they’re immune to Massachusetts open records laws. The state’s residents aren’t permitted to know how often the SWAT teams are used, what they’re used for, what sort of training they get or who they’re primarily used against.

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[Q in Arizona]

Softening Up America For The Final Assault



With President Obama authorizing the release of 36,000 illegal immigrants back into the US population, many of who are convicted criminals of violent acts, our border security is in shambles.

Border patrol agents told to duck and hide when confronted by well-armed drug cartel members, they are being ordered to allow illegal immigrants to cross as false and rehearsed excuses are used to get into the our country, this as our southern-most military bases are being used as daycare facilities for thousands of illegal immigrant children have been ushered across told that they will be accepted. Now disease epidemics such as measles are on the way to becoming major health risks.


The Obama administration has targeted states that defied their idiotic amnesty policies such as Arizona and Texas where illegal immigrants are being flown to and dropped off in major cities by the thousands with no end in sight. When asked about what the hell is going on, the White House response is, “We will continue to drop off these illegal immigrants in your cities.” The abject lawlessness and ambivalence is shocking. The disregard for the safety of the American legal citizen is outrageous, and yet it goes on unreported by the news media and unchallenged by the Republicans, whose job it is to defy such lawlessness!


What we have is the equivalent of a softening up operation of chaos and internal compromise designed to completely cause this nation to collapse or succumb. All the signs are there. Every nation that has ever fallen prey to being internally corrupted have been defeated the same way we are seeing America being gradually eroded to the point of no return. All the while the sold out, bought out main stream media either refuses to report what is going on or is handed what they are to broadcast to the American public by White House press releases.


Do not kid yourselves. America is under siege by its own leadership. All branches of government with few heroic exceptions have been compromised and are no longer performing their duties based upon their Constitutional responsibilities. The people have been blinded with lies of narratives and biased news reporting thanks to the Democratic Party. The GOP has stood aside and watched exercising only token resistance.


One need only to look at the heads of the Dept. of Justice, Homeland Security and the National Security Adviser to see the agenda.


Thanks to the Cloward Piven strategy utilized faithfully by President Obama and his minions, who have rejoiced in the destruction of all institutions of moral and traditionally of the American heritage, the people of this once great nation are allowing it to fall with eyes wide shut!


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And there we have...pretty much sums it up.

[SHOdude]

PELOSI TO GREET NEW ARRIVALS AT BORDER

She will meet with children held at the South Texas Detention Facility

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi will travel to the southern border of the U.S. on Saturday to be briefed by Customs and Border Protection on the flood of unaccompanied minors entering the country.


The California Democrat will also meet with a group of children held at the South Texas Detention Facility.




“The humanitarian crisis unfolding across our nation’s southern border demands Congress come together and find thoughtful, compassionate and bipartisan solutions,” Pelosi said. “We must ensure our laws are fully enforced, so that due process is provided to unaccompanied children and the safety and well-being of unaccompanied children is protected. We must also work to address the root causes of the problem.”


More!

If I was one of these "immigrants" and saw her I would run back over the border.

[Q in Arizona]

Founding Fathers Friday!


“It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.”

~ Patrick Henry


“This will be the best security for maintaining our liberties. A nation of well-informed men who have been taught to know and prize the rights which God has given them cannot be enslaved. It is in the religion of ignorance that tyranny begins.”

~ Ben Franklin


"There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties, each arranged under its leader, and concerting measures in opposition to each other. This, in my humble apprehension, is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution."

~ John Adams

[Q in Arizona]

Prayer Leader Of Scotland Mosque Who “Never Ever” Showed Signs Of ‘Radicalization’ Calls Upon Muslims To Wage Violent Jihad In Iraq & Syria

Another moderate Muslim leader until … he wasn’t. “A well-integrated member of society” who “never ever” showed any radical tendencies until …… he did.

Abdul Rakib Amin – who is seen in a jihadist video – grew up in northeast Scotland, where he volunteered as a prayer caller.

More!

[rlovebk]

I agree...communism sucks and I get what you are saying, but in my opinion...what have we accomplished over there? The different factions were killing each other then and they still are now, whether we get involved or not.

Yep I know what you mean.
It's like the Hatfields and McCoy's over there; they hate each other. That's why I included that article. We DID accomplish a lot over there. "Obama and Clinton inherited a peaceful, stable, democratic Iraq." But now we have a disaster. It's going to become a training ground for every Jihadist under the sun. One could claim the worst things that ever happened to Iraq was Obama and Hillary. But Islamism happened too, and I will not point a finger at Obama or Bush without pointing a finger at Islamism.

And I really don't have a political solution for Islamism, Eric. As I have been saying for a long time, it is a political system, and I see it as a massive political problem. This is why whenever I see anyone involved in Islam, I encourage them to dump it; run from it, and keep their children away from it. The sons of Ishmael. The way I see it, they have cursed the Jews, and now God is cursing them. It's a spiritual issue.

I also meant to ask this question as well, what do we (the US) have to gain by getting involved in the conflict(s) over there?

Also, I am starting to see this also as an religious issue. Somebody told me last night that Islam is the only religion that promotes or encourages or allows violence?

That is a part of it. Also remember when they said we would be repaid with oil? BS.
It does not matter if your family members are killed by a tyrant in power or a tyrannical invasion by a foreign power based on bogus claims, you remember, and cumulatively over time there comes a price to pay.
These people have been at this for centuries. The tribal and regional divisions have been established well before our country and most others.
The hubris and idiocy to think we could or can change this culture merely by offering them western democracy is astounding. And the people there will eventually find their own way regardless of what we do.
What happens when we insert ourselves, which we did NOT need to do in Iraq, into other countries: 9-11, that is what the end result is.

Bottom line though, when you look at the entire picture, we were misled and bamboozled, and I believe it was orchestrated. And like yourself I see it for what it is/was.

By the way the Old Testament calls for much of the same violence the Koran does.

[Q in Arizona]

I agree...communism sucks and I get what you are saying, but in my opinion...what have we accomplished over there? The different factions were killing each other then and they still are now, whether we get involved or not.

Yep I know what you mean.
It's like the Hatfields and McCoy's over there; they hate each other. That's why I included that article. We DID accomplish a lot over there. "Obama and Clinton inherited a peaceful, stable, democratic Iraq." But now we have a disaster. It's going to become a training ground for every Jihadist under the sun. One could claim the worst things that ever happened to Iraq was Obama and Hillary. But Islamism happened too, and I will not point a finger at Obama or Bush without pointing a finger at Islamism.

And I really don't have a political solution for Islamism, Eric. As I have been saying for a long time, it is a political system, and I see it as a massive political problem. This is why whenever I see anyone involved in Islam, I encourage them to dump it; run from it, and keep their children away from it. The sons of Ishmael. The way I see it, they have cursed the Jews, and now God is cursing them. It's a spiritual issue.

I also meant to ask this question as well, what do we (the US) have to gain by getting involved in the conflict(s) over there?

Also, I am starting to see this also as an religious issue. Somebody told me last night that Islam is the only religion that promotes or encourages or allows violence?

That is a part of it. Also remember when they said we would be repaid with oil? BS.
It does not matter if your family members are killed by a tyrant in power or a tyrannical invasion by a foreign power based on bogus claims, you remember, and cumulatively over time there comes a price to pay.
These people have been at this for centuries. The tribal and regional divisions have been established well before our country and most others.
The hubris and idiocy to think we could or can change this culture merely by offering them western democracy is astounding. And the people there will eventually find their own way regardless of what we do.
What happens when we insert ourselves, which we did NOT need to do in Iraq, into other countries: 9-11, that is what the end result is.

Bottom line though, when you look at the entire picture, we were misled and bamboozled, and I believe it was orchestrated. And like yourself I see it for what it is/was.

By the way the Old Testament calls for much of the same violence the Koran does.

Hence "old" being the key word. lol Science used to say and think the earth was flat too...books and ways get updated.

[Q in Arizona]

Mexican military chopper crosses the border, shoots at agents

TUCSON - News 4 Tucson has learned a Mexican military helicopter travelled across the border and fired on U.S. Border Patrol agents.


It happened in the early morning hours Thursday, west of the San Miguel Gate on the Tohono O'Odham Nation. The chopper fired on the agents but missed them. The chopper then flew back into Mexico. We're told Mexican authorities contacted the U.S. and apologized for the incident.


We've received two statements regarding the incident:



Art del Cueto, Border Patrol Tucson Sector union president:


The incident occurred after midnight and before 6 a.m. Helicopter flew into the U.S. and fired on two U.S. Border Patrol agents. The incident occurred west of the San Miguel Gate on the Tohono O'odham Indian Nation. The agents were unharmed. The helicopter went back into Mexico. Mexico then contacted U.S. authorities and apologized for the incident.


Andy Adame, U.S. Border Patrol Spokesperson:


Early this morning, a Mexican law enforcement helicopter crossed approximately 100 yards north into Arizona nearly 8 miles southwest of the Village of San Miguel on theTohono O'odham Indian Nation while on a drug interdiction operation near the border. Two shots were fired from the helicopter but no injuries or damage to US property were reported. The incident is currently under investigation.


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