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[Q in Arizona]

BORDER PATROL: CARTELS USING DE FACTO AMNESTY TO SMUGGLE “WHATEVER THEY WANT” INTO U.S.

"Who or what is coming in, we don't know and we won't know until something bad happens," Border Patrol rep says

“It is the cartels pushing these groups across the river to tie up our agents,” Stu Harris of the National Border Patrol Council Local 1929 said. “Meanwhile our agents are tied up processing and feeding these people, changing diapers, and the drug cartels are running whoever and whatever they want across the border and other places.


“Who or what is coming in, we don’t know and we won’t know until something bad happens.”


And he emphasized that this invasion only began recently.


“A lot of what we’re hearing in the media and a lot of other places is that the conditions in Central America, such as the economic, are horrible conditions and there’s violence, gang violence, and that’s true,” Harris said. “That’s a terrible way to have to live, but that’s been going on for more than ten years.”


“So for this invasion to start suddenly happening, something else had to change, and what changed is the fact that we were engaging in this ‘catch & release’ program and word spreads fast.”

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[YoYamma]

I agree...communism sucks and I get what you are saying, but in my opinion...what have we accomplished over there? The different factions were killing each other then and they still are now, whether we get involved or not.

Yep I know what you mean.
It's like the Hatfields and McCoy's over there; they hate each other. That's why I included that article. We DID accomplish a lot over there. "Obama and Clinton inherited a peaceful, stable, democratic Iraq." But now we have a disaster. It's going to become a training ground for every Jihadist under the sun. One could claim the worst things that ever happened to Iraq was Obama and Hillary. But Islamism happened too, and I will not point a finger at Obama or Bush without pointing a finger at Islamism.

And I really don't have a political solution for Islamism, Eric. As I have been saying for a long time, it is a political system, and I see it as a massive political problem. This is why whenever I see anyone involved in Islam, I encourage them to dump it; run from it, and keep their children away from it. The sons of Ishmael. The way I see it, they have cursed the Jews, and now God is cursing them. It's a spiritual issue.

I also meant to ask this question as well, what do we (the US) have to gain by getting involved in the conflict(s) over there?

Good question. I hold to a different Covenant, so I have a different perspective on it than many. I think if the U.S. fails to stand with Israel we will be doomed as a nation. Beyond that, I think you have to have some level of stability in the region; and I think if we go 'hands-off' now we will pay a much bigger price later. As we can see in the UK; radicals have already established a beachhead in their quest to dominate British culture. Don't be fooled by Liberal idiots who tell you that Islamic aggression is to be blamed on America. A lot of people don't realize it, but the first declared war the United States ever fought on foreign land and seas was actually against BARBARY MUSLIMS in 1801, because they were hijacking our ships and kidnapping our citizens for ransom. Sound familiar? Please see link...

"It was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners..."
-- President Thomas Jefferson

http://politicalvelcraft.org/2013/05/27/memorial-day-1801-first-war-with-the-united-states-by-islam-remembering-those-who-were-enslaved-killed/

Also, I am starting to see this also as an religious issue. Somebody told me last night that Islam is the only religion that promotes or encourages or allows violence?

It's possible. The other big problem is its impact on legal systems (Sharia). One thing is for sure; that is where the vast majority of the violence is coming from in many regions. Islam is now rapidy purging Africa of Christian influence thru extreme acts of violence; Jews are now fleeing from places like France to escape Islam, and most Liberals are petending it's not happening. "In the 7th century, North Africa was almost totally Christian. What happened to them? By the year 750, a hundred years after the Muslim conquest of Jerusalem, at least 50 percent of the world's Christians found themselves under Muslim hegemony" Please see link...

http://www.americanthinker.com/assets/3rd_party/printpage/?url=http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/05/the_greatest_murder_machine_in_history.html

[Q in Arizona]

but the first declared war the United States ever fought on foreign land and seas was actually against BARBARY MUSLIMS in 1801, because they were hijacking our ships and kidnapping our citizens for ransom. Sound familiar?

...to the shores of Tripoli!


In 1786, Jefferson, then the American ambassador to France, and John Adams, then the American ambassador to Britain, met in London with Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja, the Tripolitan ambassador to Britain. American merchant ships had been captured by the Barbary corsairs and their crews and passengers imprisoned. They could only by freed by the payment of large ransoms. The Americans wanted to negotiate a peace treaty to spare their ships these piratical attacks. Congress was willing to appease the Barbary pirates if only they could gain peace at a reasonable price.

During the meeting, Jefferson and Adams asked the ambassador why Muslims held such hostility toward America, a nation with which they had had no previous contacts. Jefferson later reported to John Jay what the ambassador had told them: the reason for the Muslims’ enmity was that “It was written in their Koran that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every mussulman (Muslim) who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to [P]aradise.”

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The United States was paying this tribute also. This bothered Jefferson. It just so happened that while he was an ambassador in France, Jefferson met with John Adams (then the American ambassador to Britain) and together the two men met with the ambassador from Tripoli (one of the North African Muslim pirate countries). Jefferson and Adams sat down to talk with this man. They asked him why Tripoli attacked ships. Why attack the United States? They had no previous interactions. Why the hostility? Why did they choose America as an enemy?

The Tripoli Muslim ambassador was very straightforward. He said, basically, "That's what we do. We are commanded to do so by Allah." Jefferson later wrote that the Tripoli ambassador told him, "It was written in their Koran that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every mussulman (Muslim) who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to Paradise."

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[rlovebk]

In Central Africa the reverse is happening with Christians taking serious revenge on Muslims.
Bottom line religious covenants lead to issues when adopted as a basis for any country. Freedom is not religious in nature nor need be encumbered by such dogma. If others want to do so that is fine. But when a state co-signs it as "Official" or those who believe they gain some sort of advantage or "Superiority" over a populace based on tenants that have a basis only in faith... well...
Liberals pretend about Jews your full of bologna as usual.
Beware of men who promise rewards in this realm or another.

[YoYamma]

By the way the Old Testament calls for much of the same violence the Koran does.

I guess this is where you imply that the Jews are the same as the terrorists. Last week you said my values are the same as the terrorists. You are truly a twisted, deceptive and misleading little person.

Your house of cards falls apart when we realize that the Jews are not applying any Old Testament violence to the world today. Publish a cartoon of Moses and see how many Jews riot, burn buildings kill people. Now try that with Muhammad and see what happens. When was the last time you saw a Jew blow up a bus full of people in the name of the Hebrew writings, Rod? Judaism and Islamism are NOT the same, and for you to even remotely suggest they call for 'much of the same violence' is digusting.

[rlovebk]

Does the Old Testament not call for the stoning to death of a woman who is found with a man not her husband...etc. etc. etc.
No I deal in facts. That is a fact.
Our (US's) relationship with Israel I am 100% good with.
Facts are facts YoYamma. Are you going to say this book does NOT say this? If they followed the writings... figure it out.
By the way, Israel is one of the most SECULAR states in the region. Most Jews do NOT take it up to be religious. Maybe that's why they are not wanting to blow apart buses and such.
Judiasm and Islam are not the same...uh, ...duh. When you figure that out.

If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her ... and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid: Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate: And the damsel's father shall say ... these are the tokens of my daughter's virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city. ... But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die. Deuteronomy 22:13-21
If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city. Deuteronomy 22:23-24
If there be found among you ... that ... hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them ... Then shalt thou ... tone them with stones, till they die. Deuteronomy 17:2-5
If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers ... thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die. Deuteronomy 13:5-10

Religion and religious writings and texts are full of violence and such.
No mystery should be held when followers who attempt to LIVE by the written word tend to be violent. The books tell them to.

[@JC]

In Central Africa the reverse is happening with Christians taking serious revenge on Muslims.
Bottom line religious covenants lead to issues when adopted as a basis for any country. Freedom is not religious in nature nor need be encumbered by such dogma.

You're wrong as usual, if our liberty and freedoms are not given by God then they are decided by man and any rights arbitrarily given by man can be taken away by other men. That is the inherent danger of secular humanism.

[rlovebk]

God gave you yours. My country gave me mine. This is exactly what I am talking about.
You want to believe that, fine, I'm good with that. I do not choose to. Okay?

[YoYamma]

Does the Old Testament not call for the stoning to death of a woman who is found with a man not her husband...etc. etc. etc.
Facts are facts YoYamma. Are you going to say this book does NOT say this? If they followed the writings... figure it out.

I figured it out a long time ago. YOU are the one who better get this figured out.
The OT Law is not applied to today. I know you want to pretend Jews and Jihadists are the same, but they are not. I know you want to pretend that Christians values and Terrorist values are the same, but they are not, you perverted moonbat. Again, your house of cards falls apart when we realize that the Jews are NOT APPLYING any Old Testament violence to the world today. It is the application that matters. You want to know if a tree is good or evil? Look at the fruit that it produces. The fruit of Islamism is laying everywhere, but you refuse to open your eyes. Because you are an apologist for Islamism, just like you are an apologist for Marxism. This is why you marched with Communists.

By the way, Israel is one of the most SECULAR states in the region. Most Jews do NOT take it up to be religious. Maybe that's why they are not wanting to blow apart buses and such.
Judiasm and Islam are not the same...uh, ...duh. When you figure that out.

Yes, we know Rod, you are a rabid anti-faith Liberal who despises faith in all forms (except Islamism, which you love). Has it occurred to you that the Jews worship a different God instead of following the demands of a murderous Prophet, and perhaps that's why they don't blow up the bus while seeking their virgins in paradise?

I will remind you the greatest murderers in history have been the anti-religious, SECULAR COMMUNISTS. Last time I checked the democide count was around 70 MILLION. So much for the value of secularism.

[YoYamma]

Bottom line religious covenants lead to issues when adopted as a basis for any country. Freedom is not religious in nature nor need be encumbered by such dogma... You want to believe that, fine, I'm good with that. I do not choose to. Okay?

I don't think anybody here wants a state religion Rod, EXCEPT THE ISLAMISTS.
I certainly don't want a state religion, my people came over here to get away from that.

But I will remind you that America was not built on secular humanism Rod. Anyone who ever read the Mayflower Compact knows that. And it wasn't built on the godless tenants of murderous Communism either. And since YOU decided to open up the "Bible study" today, I will just add this:

If you choose to live your live without God, that is totally up to you and I can respect that. But you will never be truly FREE without that relationship. My advice is to seek it while you still have the chance.

Now the Lord is that Spirit:
and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is LIBERTY. - 2 Cor 3:17

If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be FREE indeed. - John 8:36

[SHOdude]

Fascinating shit.

[YoYamma]

TED CRUZ:
IMPEACH ERIC HOLDER IF HE REFUSES TO
APPOINT SPECIAL PROSECUTOR

[Q in Arizona]

These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;

Jude 1:12

[@JC]

God gave you yours. My country gave me mine. This is exactly what I am talking about.
You want to believe that, fine, I'm good with that. I do not choose to. Okay?

You've never actually read the Declaration of Independence have you?

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed...

[rlovebk]

Creator. This is a generic term. One that was used purposefully.